Johnny Nelson should stop fighting and keep talking

galway jack · Post by **galway jack** » 23 Jul 2004, 03:45

I know its been mentioned on here before but Johnny really is an excellent pundit .
On Ringside last night he was knowledgeable and articulate plus really enthusiastic about the upcoming fights .
I was really enjoying hearing him speak and was getting irritated when Derek Williams kept butting in .
Now if we could just persuade him to stop boring us to death with those diabolical 'fights' of his !!!!

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 23 Jul 2004, 04:26

Yeah, wish he'd always stayed behind the mic. Never been much of a fan, though I do recognize his skill and fitness.

J · Post by J » 23 Jul 2004, 04:40

you like ottke but not nelson bennie? would have thought there were plenty of similarities in style mate?
good point though he is excellent most of the time, articulate clear and concise even if I dont agree with everything he says.

Poor old derek comes accross as a lovely chap but struggles to get his potin accross at times, in fact the oipposite to Johnny. Still prefer him to pieper though whom I find most negative.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 23 Jul 2004, 04:41

Derek Williams is clearly a very nice guy and he makes the odd insightful remark but Nelson to be fair, is a revelation. Better than Aled sitting next to him too.

J · Post by J » 23 Jul 2004, 04:43

aled lol brilliant.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 Jul 2004, 04:51

Derek Williams is a cr@p pundit, never anything decent to say. Agreed Nelson is very good at it I think we'll see him on the sky team once he hangs up his gloves - then he can truly call himself 'the entertainer'.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 23 Jul 2004, 04:57

Nelson - says it like it is and adds insight
Williams - states the bleeding obvious, whilst looking vaguely into the middle distance
Piper - says that every upcoming SKY fight (particularly PPV) is the next coming of Hagler-Hearns. Stuck record
I like McGuigan and Watt, though. Dempsey's just doing a job.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:12

Hmm, Nelson stayed quiet on the subject of Warren though. I remember Williams bigging up Warren and could see that Nelson was keeping his own thoughts to himself.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:16

Yes - I think Johnny knows the 'Frank's knowledge is onyl equivalent to Joe Public remark' last week was as close as he needs to sail on that particular topic.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:16

Who promotes Nelson now?

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Who promotes Nelson now?

Warren

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:28

That's what I thought, but I thought it was talked about in the past tense recently. Well, good job Nelson is at the end of his career, he's hardly doing himself any favours.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:41

Nelson has never done himself any favours promotion wise, especially the way he fights!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 08:48

I liked what Warren said in response to Nelson's attack.

something along the lines of...

"Johnny says that I'm not a good promoter, I must be, I managed to promote him."

Nelson is hardly the second coming of Micky Ward is he now?

JC · Post by JC » 23 Jul 2004, 10:00

I only took up boxing a few months ago (not particularly seriously either) but it's made me appreciate fighters like Nelson more and more in terms of the skill and tactical know-how which is required by their defensive styles. While iIdo agree fights involving defensive boxers can be very fustrating to watch they should be given their due. Nelsons style is what allows him to still be fighting at his age and commentate without slurring his words.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 10:06

Oh I totally agree, don't get me wrong. Pernell Whittaker and RJJ are two of my favourite fighters of all time, however, most of those fighters, are a nightmare to promote. Floyd Mayweather is a fantastic fighter, but Gatti is the promoters dream, not him.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Jul 2004, 10:08

Warren is always pretty smart with Nelson, always ensures there is a decent ticket seller or two on the undercard because he knows Nelson wont sell shit on his own....

people literally start leaving during his fights... he practically cleared York hall the night he fought Vassilev.

luckily on that occasion Martin Power/Peter Haymer and Stev Murray were on the card so it was jam packed all night until the main event.

When he fought Jones in Derby they made sure they had Damon Hague on the undercard to sell tickets

*** dont get me wrong though, as a gentleman and as a boxer he is first class... just boring as hell most of the time

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 10:18

Defensive skills don't make for thrills.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 23 Jul 2004, 11:34

I think that Nelson should be a little grateful to Warren there was a time in the mid 90's when he was fighting obscue heavyweights for the WBF strap.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 Jul 2004, 12:01

Nelson couldnt draw flies to a turd.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 23 Jul 2004, 12:15

007 wrote:Derek Williams is a cr@p pundit, never anything decent to say. Agreed Nelson is very good at it I think we'll see him on the sky team once he hangs up his gloves - then he can truly call himself 'the entertainer'.

Williams is OK.

I would prefer it if he could look at the person he's talking to though.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2004, 12:51

Nelson couldn't draw a set of blinds etc...

Williams is awful, he's as eloquent as Lester Piggot talking through an underground public address system. I have no idea why they bother with him at all.

Nelson and McGuigan are both excellent, Watt too.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Jul 2004, 14:38

I have always had the impression that the team really respect Derek Williams, he may not be the best talker but I think he does his research well. Its not often you get the big lads talking about the likes of Kevin Mitchell. I think he is a definate proffesional at his job and he is definately improving as a talker.

I agree with the views, Nelson is a natural talker and I do think he should call it a day now boxing wise - the big fights are not going to come and he might jeopordise his future career if he gets brutally KO'd by a lesser fighter - remember Sky used to use a lot of Crawford Ashley, but after he lost to Klemensten he's really been used in that capacity - same with Thompson after the Sellers defeat.

What ever happend to Sky using Billy Schwer, he announced on a ringside show that he was now a member of the sky team - but he's hardly ever on.

JC · Post by JC » 23 Jul 2004, 16:26

Obviously not for a few years, but if he ever gets his act together and has a half decent career I think Audley would make a good pundit he's certainly articulate and very comfortable on camera, but as I say only if his career inproves in the future.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Jul 2004, 04:04

Chris the fighter wrote:I think that Nelson should be a little grateful to Warren there was a time in the mid 90's when he was fighting obscue heavyweights for the WBF strap.

Well this doesn't tell the whole story - I think your refering to when he beat Vassilev at short notice for the WBF heavyweight belt when his fight with??Napoloean Togue or something like that fell through the week of the fight.

I think AUldey was turning pro and Nelson thought a pay-day and a fight at heavyweight wouldn't do him in any harm.

He immediatley abidcated from the belt and went back to 190. He fought, and was robbed, against some good heavyweights in his time.