Pardon sought for the late, Great Jack Johnson

[Horse]

Hey man, there's some really witty and intelligent people on this forum, and some of them can maybe provoke me ... Sorry, but you simply lack the means to do it.

I don't wish to provoke you. I just want to know the answer to the question and whether you know it or not.

Do you consider your responses to my posts as witty or intelligent? I don't consider your needlessly sarcastic and rude posts to be either, personally.

[JAHamilton77]

seems to have resurfaced today

[BoxBuzz]

This really could go in the current scene, or the BOTP. however if you don't mind, I'm sending it to BOTP for further advertizing. Interesting stuff!

[Seamus]

OK give him his pardon. Then let's all admit that he still wasen't a very nice guy, who made his name fighting the old the small and avoided the 3 best heavyweights of his day.

[Collins2000]

OK give him his pardon. Then let's all admit that he still wasen't a very nice guy, who made his name fighting the old the small and avoided the 3 best heavyweights of his day.

What? Another all time great who was just a fraud? Man, at this rate we'll soon have outed the lot of them!

[BoxBuzz]

Everyone on the east coast knows that in history there have been 3 truly great heavyweights. None of them ever were given a legitimate crack at the title due to the need for drama and conspiracy in our lives. The title holders were simply puppets owned and operated by shady managers who told them when and how to take their dives. One time many years ago a single fighter stood up to the puppeteers and claimed he would fight only legitimate fights. His body is buried somewhere in the Nevada desert near Area 51. Jack Johnson? Just another easily manipulated personality who was always willing to listen and do the bidding of the "controllers". One thing that all HW champions have had in common is the "get along go along" sort of personality that can be depended upon to follow orders without question.

[Brutu]

Yeah,this is just some polictically correct BS to make up for something
these people relly feel guilty about.
No doubt Johnsons was entaginizing people on purpose by hanging out with floozies.
Anyway,anyone know of any published or unpublished photographs of John L. Sullivan or perhaps
Jim J. Jeffries hanging out at the olde Storyville red light district of
New Orleans ca.1905
with the prositutes,with their t*ts practicllay hanging out,laughing,smiling and just having an all around good time?
Any such photo's?
I didnt think so.

[raylawpc]

Yeah,this is just some polictically correct BS to make up for something
these people relly feel guilty about.
No doubt Johnsons was entaginizing people on purpose by hanging out with floozies.
Anyway,anyone know of any published or unpublished photographs of John L. Sullivan or perhaps
Jim J. Jeffries hanging out at the olde Storyville red light district of
New Orleans ca.1905
with the prositutes,with their t*ts practicllay hanging out,laughing,smiling and just having an all around good time?
Any such photo's?
I didnt think so.

Jeff didn't visit New Orleans in 1905 - much less the red light district. However, he was seen heading to the red light district on February 5, 1903 in St. Louis following a newspaper interview, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

[I Feel Fine]

I think Obama has more important things to do at the moment, but maybe he can sign a pardon during a five minute coffee break, or something. As a boxing fan I would like to see it, though I wonder how many people have been falsely convicted of crimes due to racial bias who will not receive pardons merely because they were not celebrities. That's life, I guess.

Either way, sure, I would not mind seeing it.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

I think Obama has more important things to do at the moment, but maybe he can sign a pardon during a five minute coffee break, or something. As a boxing fan I would like to see it, though I wonder how many people have been falsely convicted of crimes due to racial bias who will not receive pardons merely because they were not celebrities. That's life, I guess.

Either way, sure, I would not mind seeing it.

- Congressional crooks giving JJ a pardon would be divine irony indeed.

The Mann Act is still on the books and trotted out by federal prosecutors for various sordid crimes. Since JJ was convicted of assisting his ex wife set up a brothel, and other notables including Frank Lloyd Wright and Luis Firpo also suffered from federal application of The Mann Act for merely transporting their girlfriends across state lines, I fail to see the racial bias by application.

Unless you want to pardon every criminal who's existed in the world for false convictions due to claimed racial bias. OJ received a not guilty verdict in his double homicide trial on the basis of racial bias in spite of overwhelming genetic evidence 100x more than the standard used to overturn verdicts of wrongly accused/convicted/sentenced citizens.

This JJ pardon has been kicking around for years and one shudders to calculate the congressional labor costs not to mention the lobbyist costs. It was sponsored by John McCain as part of his losing presidential bid and used to promote the Ken Burns doc and Geoffrey Ward bio.

But after years of proper lobbying efforts of Congress, when all the ducks can be lined up along with all the ceremonial pens with all due pomp and circumstance, of course Obama is gonna make time for a quickie and sign off on this fig leaf.

[Brutu]

A pardon isnt going to do Jack Johnson any good these days.
As he is still dead from what I understand.
Instead John McCain should maybe use his time to try and get a pardon for Martha Stewart.
Thats was some bullsh*t.

[Brutu]

Jeff didn't visit New Orleans in 1905 - much less the red light district. However, he was seen heading to the red light district on February 5, 1903 in St. Louis following a newspaper interview, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.[/quote]

I was sort of being scarcastic.
I dont know if either John L. or Jim Jefrfries hung out with
prostitutes or groupies.
They had the good sense not to be photographed with any!
They still had Victorian values at least in public.