new talent. real deal not blown up hype

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 14 Aug 2004, 05:53

topman wrote:SO ULYSSES,HAV U THOUGHT ANY OF THE NEW TALENT EMERGING ON THE PRO SCENE,IN ANY AMATEUR CONTESTS.IF SO HOW DID U GET ON? WILL U SOON B GOING ON 2 THE PRO SCENE.WHAT WILL U BRING TO THE PRO'S THAT WILL ENSURE U MAKE UR MARK.

Nah, not me, buddy, I won't be turning pro. Will you?

tea · Post by **tea** » 14 Aug 2004, 09:58

escobar wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:
topman wrote:yep ashley theophane would definitely be top of my list.hes not blown up hype.didn't achieve anything as an amateur,and has had 2 build himself up as a pro. good head movement,quick hands and outstanding stamina
His first six fights as a pro don't reflect that in my view. He has gone the 6 round distance in most of them against some woeful opposition.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A TOP QUALITY AMARTEUR DOESN'T MEAN YOU WILL DO GO AS PRO. TO ME ASHLEY IS LOOKING BETTER THAN MITCHELL AND BEAVIS AND THEY ARE TIPPED FOR BIG THINGS. MITCHELL IS FIGHTING BUMS, HATTON FOUGHT BUMS FOR YEARS, SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
WHEN IT IS TIME TO STEP UP THATS WHEN YOU JUDGE A NOVICE PRO. ASHLEY SPARS WITH AJOSE (13-0) WHO IS RANKED 12 AND HANDLES HIMSELF. ASHLEY IS BEING FINANCED BY ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW HE IS GOOD. I MARKET HIM AND I WOULDN'T WASTE MY TIME, IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN HIM. EVERYONE WHO HAS SEEN HIM, KNOWS HE IS GOOD. YOU HAVE TO JUGDE HIM WITH OTHER 6-0 PRO'S AND YOU WILL KNOW HE STANDS ABOVE THEM. HIS MANAGERS DAVE COLDWELL AND AKAY NEXT YEAR WILL TAKE A GAMBLE WITH HIM FIGHTING TOP 10 OPPONENTS.
ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN HIM AND WONDERS WHAT THE HYPE IS ABOUT. SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS AND I WILL SEND YOU A DVD OF HIS SPARRING, 3 OF HIS FIGHTS AND A DOCUMENTARY THAT WAS ON CHANNEL 4. [email protected][/quot
I`ll risk 19 year old 10 stone Gwyn Wale with him anytime ,just give Tommy Gilmour a ring any time your ready....we`ll give u the five years and a bit of weight!!!!

topman · Post by **topman** » 14 Aug 2004, 13:34

tea,thats not a very smart idea 4 a 19 year old prospect 2 give away weight 2 a 24 year old prospect.especially 1 as talented as theophane. that could ruin a young boxers career.dont u think so?

escobar · Post by **escobar** » 15 Aug 2004, 09:30

[I`ll risk 19 year old 10 stone Gwyn Wale with him anytime ,just give Tommy Gilmour a ring any time your ready....we`ll give u the five years and a bit of weight!!!![/quote]

TEA LISTEN TO TOPMAN, HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. ASHLEY MIGHT RETIRE HIM. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T CARE ABOUT WALE'S HEALTH. ASHLEY HASN'T SHOWN HIS MEAN STREAK YET, HE DOES WHAT HE HAS TO DO TO WIN. WALE WHO EVER HE IS, I NEVER HEARD OF HIM AND DON'T GIVE A F*** BOUT HIM. ASHLEY IS ON HIS ON ROAD AND BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR WILL BE FIGHTING THE OTHER PROSPECTS SO IF YOUR FIGHTER IS UP THERE AND HAS SOMETHING TO OFFER, ASHLEY WILL THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE WANT BIG FISH, NOT SARDINES. WE KNOW WHO WE WANT. BUT IF WE SEE WALE AND WE THINK WE CAN USE HIM AS A STEPPING STONE, GILMOUR MIGHT GET A CALL.
[email protected] / http://WWW.ASHLEYTHEOPHANE.COM

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 15 Aug 2004, 15:21

I would keep Wale away from Theophane if I was you Tea, Definately a bad move for Wale that one.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 15 Aug 2004, 18:04

I checked out the website and it's pretty nifty

Recommended. I see he has had a trip to Cuba, good luck on finding anything out on Boxing over there...when i went they were really reluctant to talk about it...Joel Casamayor is a swear word

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 15 Aug 2004, 20:49

what do ppl feel about Murtala (Tony) Abdul Salem in the Pro ranks? I think he'll do another season as amateur, which I feel a bit of a waste of time to be honest but the aim is to turn over eventually. I reckon technically he is a class act and can bang but you got to get ppl behind you in the pros and ultimately it is a business so, you have to be able to sell tickets.

theguru · Post by **theguru** » 16 Aug 2004, 18:09

How can wale be a prospect ? he hasnt boxed in nearly 12 months after having a life and death struggle with journeymman gary cummings.
And as for theophane I saw him box at nottingham against kirk he gets hit far too often, and against a worn out david kirk that shouldnt happen.
Unfortunately niether are going anywhere

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 16 Aug 2004, 18:53

theguru wrote:How can wale be a prospect ? he hasnt boxed in nearly 12 months after having a life and death struggle with journeymman gary cummings.
And as for theophane I saw him box at nottingham against kirk he gets hit far too often, and against a worn out david kirk that shouldnt happen.
Unfortunately niether are going anywhere

Lol the guru tells it like it is

d · Post by d » 17 Aug 2004, 08:52

Kel Brook and Amir Ali are two young prospects to look out for.Both ligh-welters,may be wrong about Brook,he looks like he's getting bigger everytime i see him!!
Thought Theophane did well against Kirk for his fourth fight.True he didn't look great against Taylor but he was last on after a long tv show..gloved up early as a possible live swing.Not an excuse but most boxers will tell ya thats a bit of a drainer.
Looked a 100% better against Brophy,and then Mittoo.Obviously just journeymen but thats the level he's boxing at at the moment.This time next year everyone will have a clearer picture to look at regarding how far he'll go.

maverick · Post by **maverick** » 17 Aug 2004, 13:55

steve689 wrote

Lol the guru tells it like it is

No, he tells it how he sees it which is different to how I see it.

Good comment "d", I agree with your view on Kel Brook and Amir Ali although I am surprised Kel Brook has gone pro so soon. Felt he could have done more as a senior in the Amateurs. Also I agree with your astute comments on not judging a new pro too early on.

d · Post by d » 17 Aug 2004, 16:40

maverick wrote:steve689 wrote
Lol the guru tells it like it is
No, he tells it how he sees it which is different to how I see it.

Good comment "d", I agree with your view on Kel Brook and Amir Ali although I am surprised Kel Brook has gone pro so soon. Felt he could have done more as a senior in the Amateurs. Also I agree with your astute comments on not judging a new pro too early on.

Hey Maverick,
think they turned Brook over early knowing that if they take their time,his style which already suits the pro game,will develop alot better.By the time this kid gets to 21 or so,he's going to be very very hot.
Same sort of reasoning why i turned Ali pro so young,don't think the amateur game would have benefited him as much as a couple 'learning' yrs in the pro's will.
Anthony Small by the way...love this guy! He came up to spar a couple of experienced pro's i manage.The guy is a big prospect.Gave away weight,experience and still looked very very good.With the personality he has too,wish i had him in my stable!!

chado · Post by **chado** » 20 Aug 2004, 09:12

I'm very excited about Kell Brook in the pro's he looks pure quality to me and I wish him all the best