What's the WORST decision you've seen...

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 21 Aug 2004, 02:25

What's the most blatant bad decision you've ever seen????
I'm curious to see what your opinions are......

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 21 Aug 2004, 09:23

- Abraham Chavarria scoring the first Chavez-Randall fight 114-113 for Chavez (Chavez was floored in the 11th rd and had two points deducted because of low blows)
- Chuck Giampa having Chavez 1 point ahead against Taylor after the 11th rd.

P.S: For the record, I was a huge Chavez fan. Simply, I think that some decisions are outrageous.

IronKidDynamite · Post by **IronKidDynamite** » 21 Aug 2004, 09:39

Some of these fights were close not an absolute robbery right?

I heard PAtterson-Ellis was a complete robbery never seen it.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 21 Aug 2004, 19:11

Jose Luis Ramierz over Pernell Whitaker was one of the all time worst.
Whitaker was robbed a few times, but this was one of the most notorious rip offs in recent times.

Johnny Saxton's points win over Kid Gavilan is the most famous one. Saxton was managed by Blinky Palermo.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » 21 Aug 2004, 21:41

Fernando Vargas vs. Winky Wright was a bad one.

JC · Post by JC » 21 Aug 2004, 22:59

Won of the worst must have been Roy Jones in the 88' olympics, also more recently I felt Robin Reid was robbed against Sven Ottke, but I think that was mostly down to the ref (that's all I'll say on it though as I know it's been discussed to death in the British Scene Forum).

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Aug 2004, 04:21

Holyfield vs Lewis 1 - I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned this yet. I score the fight 118-114. God knows how one judge could have scored it for Holyfield.

De La Hoya vs Sturm was pretty bad too. I thought Sturm was the narrow winner.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:10

MightyWarrior wrote:Jose Luis Ramierz over Pernell Whitaker was one of the all time worst.
Whitaker was robbed a few times, but this was one of the most notorious rip offs in recent times.

Johnny Saxton's points win over Kid Gavilan is the most famous one. Saxton was managed by Blinky Palermo.

I could not agree more. (Whitaker-Ramirez I) was one of the biggest robberies that I have ever seen!!!
Both Whitaker and Gavilan were victims of bad decisions. I also saw the complete mastery of Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez. Never seen Chavez IN HIS PRIME looked so bad---NEVER!!! :x :x :x :x :x

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:13

Oh, I also forgot Leonard-Hearns II. What a robbery!!! Hearns put Leonard to eat dust twice in the canvas, and the judges called it a Draw??? NO WAY!!! :x :x :x :x

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 23 Aug 2004, 15:13

elmersalsa wrote:Oh, I also forgot Leonard-Hearns II. What a robbery!!! Hearns put Leonard to eat dust twice in the canvas, and the judges called it a Draw??? NO WAY!!! :x :x :x :x

In fact, I think that one can't say that fight was a blatant robbery. It is true that Hearns floored Leonard twice (10-8 x 2), but an argument can be made for giving Leonard a 10-8 scorecard in two lopsided rounds (the final and another one I can't remember now). The Whitaker - Chavez decision, for instance, was quite worst.

bluehorizon · Post by **bluehorizon** » 24 Aug 2004, 11:08

Somewhat unkown fighter Dave Tiberi (now I believe a matchmaker in the PA/DE/NJ region) lost a controversial title bout vs James Toney in 1992 . Realizing he was screwed over he retired claiming that he wouldn't fight again unless the decision was overturned. He hasn't fought since.[/b]

THE DANCING MASTER · Post by **THE DANCING MASTER** » 24 Aug 2004, 22:09

Lupe Pintor over Carlos Zarate. And yes, Ellis over Patterson was robbery!

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 24 Aug 2004, 23:00

Ellis-Patterson was pretty bad.

Several of Paulie Ayalas fights were pathetic decisions in his favor. He must have the record for most consecutive gifts.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 25 Aug 2004, 23:51

klompton wrote:Ellis-Patterson was pretty bad.

Several of Paulie Ayalas fights were pathetic decisions in his favor. He must have the record for most consecutive gifts.

i completely agree, he was gifted the decision over tapia

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 26 Aug 2004, 12:28

Yea Ellis Patterson was bad and it sucks cause if that didn't happen we would have got to see Frazier - Patterson. It would have been great. Frazier would have won inside six.

gensu3k1 · Post by **gensu3k1** » 26 Aug 2004, 22:40

THE DANCING MASTER wrote:Lupe Pintor over Carlos Zarate. And yes, Ellis over Patterson was robbery!

I had Pintor beating Zarate by about five points.

When was the last time you watched it?

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 28 Aug 2004, 18:00

Pintor-Zarate wasn't a bad decision. I had Lupe by a point. I watched it again recently and still see Pintor scoring the upset. Zarate never landed the big right hand. I'm glad the judges got one right. It would have been easy to give the reigning champ the nod and let people howl.

As for really sick decisions: the two Whitaker bouts (v. Ramirez and Chavez) both stunk. I admire Sweet Pea for not getting discouraged.
Also, the draw in Hagler-Antuofermo I was a crime. In a close fight, Hagler clearly won the last two rounds. That means two judges had MMH behind in the late rounds. Ridiculous. Well, at least Hagler got his make-good and we all got to enjoy his title reign.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 29 Aug 2004, 08:56

Worst decision? Employing Gary Richardson as an interview on BBC.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 29 Aug 2004, 16:50

DH-A wrote:Hi Sweet Scientist,
in my view there are a lot of:

Felix Sturm vs. Oscar De La Hoya (Sturm definitely was dominant and should have been declared the winner)

Dariusz Michalczewski vs. Gracciano Rochigiani I (G. R. hit after a break commando, but he could not hear it; D. M. pretended that he was hurt hard, stayed down - he should do a theatre play - and G. R. was disqualified.

G. R. vs. Henry Maske (Maske was declared the winner but lost the fight clearly)

Axel Schulz vs. George Foreman (Foreman won, got the title, the IBF forced him to fight Schulz again, but did not do it; then there was a fight Schulz vs. Michael Moorer for this title that Morrer won by SD)

Axel Schulz vs. Francois Botha (Schulz lost, but Botha used Steroids. Schulz was not declared the winner and did not get the title)

Many Klitschko fights:
sometimes they are fighting in a very unfair way and do many illegal things - like pushing opponents down, throwing punches to the back of the head, to the neck and so on and so forth. They should have been disqualified (or warned at least) often (as it happened with Robert Byrd).

What do you think??

Botha may have used some roids but Schultz clearly lost the fight.

I'd add Briggs-Foreman.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 29 Aug 2004, 17:57

oscar - sturn -sturn robbed
oscar - whitaker- whitaker was robbed
both bererra - morales fights were switched decisions
steve forbes - cobrita gonzales was bad decision
ray leanard- haggler- haggler should have won
al gore- george bush we need another recount!! lol

pepsi - coke -the pepsi challenge was a scam!!!!

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