Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym v Bernard Dunne

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I was saying to Padraig Hoare that after the fantastic Cordoba win it would be typical if this mystery Thai comes to Dublin and pulls the upset. However, I think Dunne has matured as a fighter since the Kiko loss and will have the tools to beat this guy, but may have to get up off the canvas to do so.
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steve689 wrote:I was saying to Padraig Hoare that after the fantastic Cordoba win it would be typical if this mystery Thai comes to Dublin and pulls the upset. However, I think Dunne has matured as a fighter since the Kiko loss and will have the tools to beat this guy, but may have to get up off the canvas to do so.
He better have cos I see Poonsawat as an improved, slicker Kiko. He'll definately be pickin himself up offa de canvas in my opinion. Maybe he needs to have a word with Dave Boy to see how he trained for it.
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steve689 wrote:I was saying to Padraig Hoare that after the fantastic Cordoba win it would be typical if this mystery Thai comes to Dublin and pulls the upset. However, I think Dunne has matured as a fighter since the Kiko loss and will have the tools to beat this guy, but may have to get up off the canvas to do so.
I'd be worried about that myself as all the talk since the Cordoba victory has been of possible big fights with Vazquez or Cabellero for Dunne, I'd hate to see him derailed now. Dunne does have the tools and has always been a fantastic boxer, He went to another level with the Cordoba win not just physically but mentally and i think he'll push on from there against Kratingdaenggym. He's also banging again which is great to finally see and with another big o2 crowd roaring him on i think he can do the business.
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If Dunne was at another level for Cordoba than I don't expect him to do much more at world level. Lets not forget he was behind by a good margin and down twice. The Thai also has a win over Cordoba and has boxed at a high level before. This should be a tough fight for both guys and it is a very losable fight for Dunne.
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crusader wrote:If Dunne was at another level for Cordoba than I don't expect him to do much more at world level. Lets not forget he was behind by a good margin and down twice. The Thai also has a win over Cordoba and has boxed at a high level before. This should be a tough fight for both guys and it is a very losable fight for Dunne.
Those scorecards were a joke. Dunne was down twice only after getting the cut which blurred his vision, he was still able to get up and come back stronger to ko Cordoba...Poonsawat could not do this, neither could Caballero.
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crusader wrote:If Dunne was at another level for Cordoba than I don't expect him to do much more at world level. Lets not forget he was behind by a good margin and down twice. The Thai also has a win over Cordoba and has boxed at a high level before. This should be a tough fight for both guys and it is a very losable fight for Dunne.
Thats true but i had him only 1 round down, those cards looked pretty far off imo, also i didn't see him going down again in that fight, after the 5th round Dunne really stepped it up and i think the crowd gave him a huge lift. It was as if he had convinced himself that he was through the worst and Cordoba had shot his load. thats what i meant by being on another level mentally, he conquered some demons after that round.
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lirva wrote:
knowitall wrote:
crusader wrote:If Dunne was at another level for Cordoba than I don't expect him to do much more at world level. Lets not forget he was behind by a good margin and down twice. The Thai also has a win over Cordoba and has boxed at a high level before. This should be a tough fight for both guys and it is a very losable fight for Dunne.
Those scorecards were a joke. Dunne was down twice only after getting the cut which blurred his vision, he was still able to get up and come back stronger to ko Cordoba...Poonsawat could not do this, neither could Caballero.
I wouldn't say they were a joke. The cut Dunne had wasn't bad enough to ENTIRELY blame the knockdowns on either.

They were a joke, there was no way Cordoba was winning by those margins. Dunne himself said in the post fight interview that his vision was blurred from the cut, this lead to him getting caught more, which lead to the knockdowns.
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knowitall wrote:
lirva wrote:
knowitall wrote: Those scorecards were a joke. Dunne was down twice only after getting the cut which blurred his vision, he was still able to get up and come back stronger to ko Cordoba...Poonsawat could not do this, neither could Caballero.
I wouldn't say they were a joke. The cut Dunne had wasn't bad enough to ENTIRELY blame the knockdowns on either.

They were a joke, there was no way Cordoba was winning by those margins. Dunne himself said in the post fight interview that his vision was blurred from the cut, this lead to him getting caught more, which lead to the knockdowns.
I had Cordoba up by 2 going into the final round. Three of my mates thought I was crazy but they were pizzed and delirious
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They were a joke, there was no way Cordoba was winning by those margins. Dunne himself said in the post fight interview that his vision was blurred from the cut, this lead to him getting caught more, which lead to the knockdowns.
I had Cordoba up by two, but I agree with that. 97-90 was way off. The point is that he was fighting life and death with Cordoba. Poonsawat also beat Cordoba, so he is capable of competing on the same level. I think it will be a competitive fight and I lean towards Dunne to win closely on points, but any result seems possible. The win over Cordoba was wildly entertaining but it didn't fit my definition of impressive and if Dunne is off his game an a mild upset is in store.
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crusader wrote:
They were a joke, there was no way Cordoba was winning by those margins. Dunne himself said in the post fight interview that his vision was blurred from the cut, this lead to him getting caught more, which lead to the knockdowns.
I had Cordoba up by two, but I agree with that. 97-90 was way off. The point is that he was fighting life and death with Cordoba. Poonsawat also beat Cordoba, so he is capable of competing on the same level. I think it will be a competitive fight and I lean towards Dunne to win closely on points, but any result seems possible. The win over Cordoba was wildly entertaining but it didn't fit my definition of impressive and if Dunne is off his game an a mild upset is in store.
I'm sure Dunne will be very disappointed to hear that! The Cordoba V Poonsawat fight has just been put up on youtube btw.
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lirva wrote:
knowitall wrote: I'm sure Dunne will be very disappointed to hear that! The Cordoba V Poonsawat fight has just been put up on youtube btw.
Thanks for that, just watched the first round. Cordobas punching technique looks awful. Poonsawat should have too much pressure for Dunne imo. If Dunne beats him I'll give him credit but I think he's too fragile. Could be another Kiko job here.
I can't take credit for the upload, you're right he looks very good. I still think Dunne can beat him though :wink:
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lirva wrote:
knowitall wrote:
Dunne himself said in the post fight interview that his vision was blurred from the cut, this lead to him getting caught more, which lead to the knockdowns.
I don't see any blood on his face when the first knockdown happens in the fifth round here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Ss2Nv9 ... re=related

he gets saved by the bell too. Could have been stopped in that round by a different ref.
Right so he must have been lying then :roll: A lot of those punches at the end of the 5th were taken on the gloves.
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lirva wrote:
knowitall wrote:
Right so he must have been lying then.
Do you believe every excuse a fighter makes?

I guess you believed Zab judah when he said he would have KO'd Cotto if Cotto didn't hit him low.
You also believed Enzo Maccarinelli when he said Haye wouldn't have lasted 12 rounds with him, after he got KTFO in 2.

I could go on.

Look at the facts in future instead of blindly believing boxers mate. You said his vision was impaired. Well, there was no blood there and that's a fact.
Oh STFU Lirva please. Dunne has never had any problem admitting when he has just been caught, why would he make that up in the post fight interview after winning the fight?!!! He got cut in the 4th and dropped in the 5th, now if you are saying that the cut had nothing to do with this you are simply talking out of your hole! Oh and 2 things, firstly, I couldn't give a toss about Enzo Maccarinelli (that was a really stupid comparison you tried to make there btw), and secondly, I'm not your "mate".
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That Dunne was down twice isn't the issue, it's how he responded that interest's me. He was on the verge of being stopped and if the ref had stepped in right at the end of the fifth then his career would have probably been over at World level and i believe Dunne would have called it a day. but he found the little extra something that you need when it comes to these type of fights and he came out in the sixth with a new perspective and a steely resolve. Not only did he go on to win but he stopped Cordoba and he proved most of Ireland wrong. it was terrible some of the things being said before this fight by Hardened Dunne fans, there was such little faith shown by many and i was so pleased he managed to get through the nightmare fifth round and prove everybody wrong.
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I respect Dunne for what he did against Cordoba. I felt he was an overrated fighter who could barely make the weight or take a shot but he showed classic Irish grit to win the fight and make amends for the Martinez disaster. Respect is earned.
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bennie wrote:I respect Dunne for what he did against Cordoba. I felt he was an overrated fighter who could barely make the weight or take a shot but he showed classic Irish grit to win the fight and make amends for the Martinez disaster. Respect is earned.
that was pretty much my opinion as well. I had a couple of 100 quid on Cordoba to win by KO. However, Dunne showed me something else that night that I didnt think he had.
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sligobhoy67 wrote:
bennie wrote:I respect Dunne for what he did against Cordoba. I felt he was an overrated fighter who could barely make the weight or take a shot but he showed classic Irish grit to win the fight and make amends for the Martinez disaster. Respect is earned.
that was pretty much my opinion as well. I had a couple of 100 quid on Cordoba to win by KO. However, Dunne showed me something else that night that I didnt think he had.
Brendan surprised every one that night he looked done and dusted in my opinion anyway,good luck to him i hope he comes good again , he will certainly need to, IMO
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i would put money on dunne.that kid CAN box.a friend of mine boxed him in the amauers and said he was special.no disrespect to rendall though,but its dunne w12 all the way for me
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BARNEYKX wrote:
sligobhoy67 wrote:
bennie wrote:I respect Dunne for what he did against Cordoba. I felt he was an overrated fighter who could barely make the weight or take a shot but he showed classic Irish grit to win the fight and make amends for the Martinez disaster. Respect is earned.
that was pretty much my opinion as well. I had a couple of 100 quid on Cordoba to win by KO. However, Dunne showed me something else that night that I didnt think he had.
Brendan surprised every one that night he looked done and dusted in my opinion anyway,good luck to him i hope he comes good again , he will certainly need to, IMO
Yeah Brendan was great that night - fastest man to pull a decent Guinness in the whole of the O2. I'm just delighted that Bernard did the biznaz aswell! :DD
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boot this filthy pudendum out of it
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this really is a great fight but i think the thai got shafted with the purse bids situation. the biggest fight of his life and the biggest fight involving a thai boxer this year and his promoter didn't even get a bid in because of internal squabbling.
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not very good money,is it?this guy sells out the o2 doesnt he?an example of purse bids working against the boxer.
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mickey1975 wrote:not very good money,is it?this guy sells out the o2 doesnt he?an example of purse bids working against the boxer.
not good for Poonsawat but hey thats his managers fault.

Dunne will be getting a lot more money of Peters anyway
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probably Dunne getting paid under the table as well
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