Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym v Bernard Dunne

[mickey1975]

probably Dunne getting paid under the table as well

hopefully,for him.to only clear around £30,000 in a loseable world title fight isnt great for the champion in his own country.its a short career and he is vunerable.he could really do with cashing in on this belt whilst he's got it.id box munroe if i were him.i think he beats him easy,the munroe fans on here forget(or dont know)bernards amatuer pedigree,american experience and superb ability.see if maloney's still throwing big numbers about and snap his hand off.shutout ud!

[crusader]

looks like this is set now!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 44710.html

Fighting Cabellero or JML next would be a terrible move. He'd make more $$$ beating up a couple of limited mandatories and wouldn't have to take a whooping.

At least make a few defenses before cashing out

[crusader]

Thats all and great but $$$ wise it would be a stupid move, and thats what professional boxers are in the game for first and for most. Fine fight one of those guys and lose your title, but make a few defenses first to fatten your wallet.

[brian13]

I think Dunne will get a UD win because the record the opponents the Thai has faced haven't been great.

[metropol]

Someone suggested that fighting munroe would be the best move for dunne and after he fights and hopefully wins against the thai he will fight munroe. This is the biggest money spinner that dunne can win imo.

[scottmallon]

I think Dunne will get a UD win because the record the opponents the Thai has faced haven't been great.

The Thai is alot better than you're giving him credit for and while his record isn't packed with all-time greats, he's got some decent fighters on his ledger and believe me, the guy can fight. He may get outboxed...but...then again, he might not.

As far as his purse...I tried to negotiate a deal between the two parties and unfortunately, because the Thais had signed a contract with someone who wasn't authorized to negotiate, they were confused on what they should do so they let it go to a purse bid. It cost them $130K +/- so obviously it wasn't to their benefit.

[slapbangwhallop]

I think Dunne will get a UD win because the record the opponents the Thai has faced haven't been great.

The Thai is alot better than you're giving him credit for and while his record isn't packed with all-time greats, he's got some decent fighters on his ledger and believe me, the guy can fight. He may get outboxed...but...then again, he might not.

As far as his purse...I tried to negotiate a deal between the two parties and unfortunately, because the Thais had signed a contract with someone who wasn't authorized to negotiate, they were confused on what they should do so they let it go to a purse bid. It cost them $130K +/- so obviously it wasn't to their benefit.

thanks for the incite Scott - very much appriciated.

As I've said when I PM'd you before you provide a great deal of knowledge on Thai fighters and I always look forward to your pieces in The Ring.

If you wouldnt mind would you keep an eye on this thread and give us a Thai perspective now and again (that should stop it turning into a Dunne v Munroe thread)

Again thanks!

[Wales]

looks like this is set now!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 44710.html

Fighting Cabellero or JML next would be a terrible move. He'd make more $$$ beating up a couple of limited mandatories and wouldn't have to take a whooping.

At least make a few defenses before cashing out

So should boxing be about facing the best, or beating up crap mandatories?

[Steve89]

I think Dunne will get a UD win because the record the opponents the Thai has faced haven't been great.

The Thai is alot better than you're giving him credit for and while his record isn't packed with all-time greats, he's got some decent fighters on his ledger and believe me, the guy can fight. He may get outboxed...but...then again, he might not.

As far as his purse...I tried to negotiate a deal between the two parties and unfortunately, because the Thais had signed a contract with someone who wasn't authorized to negotiate, they were confused on what they should do so they let it go to a purse bid. It cost them $130K +/- so obviously it wasn't to their benefit.

thanks for the incite Scott - very much appriciated.

As I've said when I PM'd you before you provide a great deal of knowledge on Thai fighters and I always look forward to your pieces in The Ring.

If you wouldnt mind would you keep an eye on this thread and give us a Thai perspective now and again (that should stop it turning into a Dunne v Munroe thread)

Again thanks!

You're such a kiss ass Sligobhoy! "I love you Scott,please stop by whenever you can Scott"

[opticald]

looks like this is set now!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 44710.html

Fighting Cabellero or JML next would be a terrible move. He'd make more $$$ beating up a couple of limited mandatories and wouldn't have to take a whooping.

At least make a few defenses before cashing out

So should boxing be about facing the best, or beating up crap mandatories?

yeah, that;s ridiculous. the likes of crusader cannot complain about any fighter fighting bums because he will condone it when it is his favourite fighter.

[banjo]

looks like this is set now!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 44710.html

Fighting Cabellero or JML next would be a terrible move. He'd make more $$$ beating up a couple of limited mandatories and wouldn't have to take a whooping.

At least make a few defenses before cashing out

So should boxing be about facing the best, or beating up crap mandatories?

Whatever makes the most money

[knowitall]

Dunne talks about the upcoming fight and responds to Poonsawat's comment about him not being very skillful! Pot meet Kettle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd7ryFx6wjk

[slapbangwhallop]

The Thai is alot better than you're giving him credit for and while his record isn't packed with all-time greats, he's got some decent fighters on his ledger and believe me, the guy can fight. He may get outboxed...but...then again, he might not.

As far as his purse...I tried to negotiate a deal between the two parties and unfortunately, because the Thais had signed a contract with someone who wasn't authorized to negotiate, they were confused on what they should do so they let it go to a purse bid. It cost them $130K +/- so obviously it wasn't to their benefit.

thanks for the incite Scott - very much appriciated.

As I've said when I PM'd you before you provide a great deal of knowledge on Thai fighters and I always look forward to your pieces in The Ring.

If you wouldnt mind would you keep an eye on this thread and give us a Thai perspective now and again (that should stop it turning into a Dunne v Munroe thread)

Again thanks!

You're such a kiss ass Sligobhoy! "I love you Scott,please stop by whenever you can Scott" [/quote]

aye, I went over the top there didnt I!! ah feck it, I meant every word! cheeseballs all round - on me!

[crusader]

looks like this is set now!!!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 44710.html

Fighting Cabellero or JML next would be a terrible move. He'd make more $$$ beating up a couple of limited mandatories and wouldn't have to take a whooping.

At least make a few defenses before cashing out

So should boxing be about facing the best, or beating up crap mandatories?

He can still face the best, but tell me why it makes for sense for Dunne to lose his title after one defense (should he win this fight) instead of putting some money in the bank before losing to a fighter of a much higher caliber. I'm not saying don't fight those guys at all, but if you are going to fight for pay, make some money than get destroyed by an elite opponent.

[crusader]

yeah, that;s ridiculous. the likes of crusader cannot complain about any fighter fighting bums because he will condone it when it is his favourite fighter.

Dunne is going to lose his title if he fights an opponent like JML, he is not an elite level fighter. From a managerial perspective it makes no sense to take that fight next. He can still fight top level opposition, but why not have a few easier fights first and make some money before taking such a massive leap? I'm not advocating a ten year Ottke like reign, but two or three defenses at home to make some money, gain some more experience, and build his record so a fight with a superstar like JML is all that more marketable.

It is just plain stupid to take a fight your are sure to lose right after you win the title.

[crusader]

Look at Steve Molitor, he made multiple defenses at home, built his name, and made money. Then he got annihilated by Cabellero. If he followed your guys advice and fought him right off the bat he would not have made any money or gained much notoriety, and the fight with Caballero would have garnered far less interest than it did when he was an established world champion.

[opticald]

mate, Dunne has enough experience, don't try that one.

Fights against Poonsawat, Munroe, Sidorenko, Rematch with kiko, Nishioka etc are the level that is acceptable for him. Jason Booth would be an acceptable fight imo.

Fighting a JM Lopez would end in a KO1 but that's no reason not to test himself and give it a go. Marquez/Vasquez/Molitor and Caballero are the elite of the division (although I have question marks about Caballero).

You are saying he should fight no hopers. Sorry mate, I'm a boxing fan and would rather see competitive matches. Don't criticise any fighter for fighting a string of bums because you condone it with Dunne.

[crusader]

Notching a couple of successful defenses would make Dunne a bigger and bigger name each time. Getting experience is not so much what I am advocating. Look at Molitor. After one title defense no one would have cared about his match with Cabellero, but after he was an established champion there was a lot more interest.

I don't advocate guys fighting nothing but bums and I think Dunne should one day fight an elite guy, but right now isn't the time. The difference between Dunne and a guy like Calzaghe (who has been criticized for his opposition) is that Dunne is not capable of beating the big names, where as someone like Calzaghe has what it takes but is just overly reluctant.

Even you said he would get stopped in a round. A result like that can ruin a fighter mentally and his reputation will plummet after getting beaten so easily. If that happens to Dunne after just one title defense he will be in a much tougher spot if he wants to fight on then he would be if he was already a well known titlist who had made a few defenses and he wouldn't be financially secure.

He benefits in so many aspects by waiting a bit before getting fried by the big fish.

[opticald]

Notching a couple of successful defenses would make Dunne a bigger and bigger name each time. Getting experience is not so much what I am advocating. Look at Molitor. After one title defense no one would have cared about his match with Cabellero, but after he was an established champion there was a lot more interest.

I don't advocate guys fighting nothing but bums and I think Dunne should one day fight an elite guy, but right now isn't the time. The difference between Dunne and a guy like Calzaghe (who has been criticized for his opposition) is that Dunne is not capable of beating the big names, where as someone like Calzaghe has what it takes but is just overly reluctant.

Even you said he would get stopped in a round. A result like that can ruin a fighter mentally and his reputation will plummet after getting beaten so easily. If that happens to Dunne after just one title defense he will be in a much tougher spot if he wants to fight on then he would be if he was already a well known titlist who had made a few defenses and he wouldn't be financially secure.

He benefits in so many aspects by waiting a bit before getting fried by the big fish.

if every boxer thought like this, the sport would be unwatchable. Of course Dunne benefits from fighting no hopers and picking up some easy money, but the fans don't.

[crusader]

Every boxer is in a different situation, the same things I advocate for one boxer, I don't for another. I don't want Dunne to fight nothing but bums and I never said that, but if he is actually planning on stepping up to fight JML or Cabellero, then he should make a few defenses first, because he is sure to lose.

That is not the same thing as fighting nothing but scrubs throughout your entire reign, which you seem to think I'm implying. When did I say I didn't want him to ever fight a guy like Caballero or JML?

[opticald]

Every boxer is in a different situation, the same things I advocate for one boxer, I don't for another. I don't want Dunne to fight nothing but bums and I never said that, but if he is actually planning on stepping up to fight JML or Cabellero, then he should make a few defenses first, because he is sure to lose.

That is not the same thing as fighting nothing but scrubs throughout your entire reign, which you seem to think I'm implying. When did I say I didn't want him to ever fight a guy like Caballero or JML?

You can't pick and choose to suit your argument. You want Dunne fighting no hopers in fights he is sure to win for a few fights. Thank God the likes of Pacman, Cotto, mosley, DLH, lewis, Gatti, et al, don't have that attitude or we'd see them fighting no hopers for very long stretches before fighting competitive fights. As a boxing fan, I am disgusted with your comments. They stem from the fact that you are a Dunne fanatic imo. I think that if Dunne doesn't want to fight the best in the world, he should GIVE UP his world title and fight at european level. When you are a WORLD CHAMP (and Dunne is just a paper champ in fairness, but still "world champ"), you fight the best. Dunne had his bum fights.

[crusader]

Every boxer is in a different situation, the same things I advocate for one boxer, I don't for another. I don't want Dunne to fight nothing but bums and I never said that, but if he is actually planning on stepping up to fight JML or Cabellero, then he should make a few defenses first, because he is sure to lose.

That is not the same thing as fighting nothing but scrubs throughout your entire reign, which you seem to think I'm implying. When did I say I didn't want him to ever fight a guy like Caballero or JML?

You can't pick and choose to suit your argument. You want Dunne fighting no hopers in fights he is sure to win for a few fights. Thank God the likes of Pacman, Cotto, mosley, DLH, lewis, Gatti, et al, don't have that attitude or we'd see them fighting no hopers for very long stretches before fighting competitive fights. As a boxing fan, I am disgusted with your comments. They stem from the fact that you are a Dunne fanatic imo. I think that if Dunne doesn't want to fight the best in the world, he should GIVE UP his world title and fight at european level. When you are a WORLD CHAMP (and Dunne is just a paper champ in fairness, but still "world champ"), you fight the best. Dunne had his bum fights.

Every situation is different, you cant apply to same argument to everyone. Guys like Pacman and Cotto took on much lesser opponents in the earlier stages of their careers before stepping it up. They had both made several defenses before they faced a boarder line pound for pounder of the caliber of JML/Caballero.

IMO Dunne should be fighting the best, but it is a stupid move for him to commit career suicide by taking on "the man" at 122 right away. My original comment was focused more on the managerial/financial aspect of his career, and without a doubt he will only be hurting himself in that regards by taking a fight like that after one defense.

I don"t want him fighting no hopers as you put it, but given his limited ability I think its in his best interest to take some easier fights defenses first, and I'm surprised hes not doing it (if the article was true). Does that mean I want him to take that path? No, but I think it would be the wiser road.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing him beaten, because I'm not really a fan of his, but I don't dislike him either, hes got alot of heart.

[crusader]

Crusader are you F Warren by any chance???

From Dunne's prospective what would be the better move? I never once said I wanted him to take some easy fights but given his limitations I'm quite surprised he's not having some easier fights before taking on the 122 pound superstars like JML or Caballero. It would be a wise career move in my opinion

[slapbangwhallop]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P Got my tickets for Dunne fight, they're out now on Ticketmaster.ie :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

which section ya in?

[brian13]

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P Got my tickets for Dunne fight, they're out now on Ticketmaster.ie :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

which section ya in?

8) section D row18

How much did you pay for that ticket