British Top 30 P4P September 2009

[Horse]

1. (2.) Ricky Hatton
2. (3.) Carl Froch
3. (4.) David Haye
4. (7.) Amir Khan
5. (8.) Bernard Dunne (Irish)
6. (5.) Clinton Woods
7. (6.) Junior Witter
8. (9.) Jamie Moore
9. (10.) Rendall Munroe
10. (11.) Nicky Cook

11. (12.) Kell Brook
12. (13.) Alex Arthur
13. (14.) Kevin Mitchell
14. (15.) Ian Napa
15. (16.) Matt Skelton
16. (17.) Matthew Macklin
17. (18.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
18. (19.) Darren Barker
19. (20.) John Murray
20. (21.) Nathan Cleverly

21. (22.) Anthony Small
22. (23.) Ajose Olusegan
23. (24.) Enzo Maccarinelli
24. (25.) Jason Booth
25. (26.) Sam Sexton
26. (27.) Martin Rogan (Irish)
27. (28.) John Duddy (Irish)
28. (29.) Gavin Rees
29. (30.) Ryan Rhodes
30. (RE.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)

Out - (1.) Joe Calzaghe (Retired)

[Horse]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

[josh fg]

will the prizefighter in october influence your thinking on this list as there are a good number of our best heavyweights involved.

[dbflex]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

People will soon become sick of me pushing Cleverly but he is at least 4 places too low. He is a domestic no. 1 who last season beat the no. 2 and no. 3 in his division emphatically and impressively. Lindsay, Macklin et al, even Brook cannot say that. And speaking of Brook y is he ahead of former world and EBU champs?

[danfoster]

i agree about cleverly

however, as for the logic applied - i think i am right in saying (correct me if wrong) that this is simply the list of what the guy considers to be the best fighters, not a schedule of achievement, if you like ....

[slapbangwhallop]

McCloskey is 15 places too low - seriously!

[dbflex]

i agree about cleverly

however, as for the logic applied - i think i am right in saying (correct me if wrong) that this is simply the list of what the guy considers to be the best fighters, not a schedule of achievement, if you like ....

Hmm, it would be good to know what the criteria is. Even then, surely a guy can look better v weaker opposition so its unfair?

[danfoster]

You are not the first person to say that this list is unfair.

[dbflex]

Lol, it all depends on the criteria. I can't claim it as definitiively unfair if I have the criteria all wrong.

[Captain Hook]

Horse, why have you left Joe Calzaghe off the list?

He's planning to fight Roy Jones again after he wins Strictly Come Ice Dancing Get Me Out of Here.

[MPG]

Horse, why have you left Joe Calzaghe off the list?

He's planning to fight Roy Jones again after he wins Strictly Come Ice Dancing Get Me Out of Here.

There must have been over 100 posts wanting Calzaghe off Horse's British Top P4P and the 1st month that he has actually taken him off,we get a post asking why !!!!

Horse wanted to use the 12 month inactive clause and in November it would have been 12 months.

[m1kee50]

Lol, it all depends on the criteria. I can't claim it as definitiively unfair if I have the criteria all wrong.

i think you are confusing criteria with 'makes it up as he goes along'

no offense Horse.

[stujones]

You have Ajose in (well done) - why so low though... the guy has good wins beyond Enzo Mac. He should be top 15 at the minimun.

[Horse]

will the prizefighter in october influence your thinking on this list as there are a good number of our best heavyweights involved.

The fights are only over 3 rounds, so I would be unlikely to enter the winner onto the list straight after they won the tournament. However, if they got a good win after the tournament then I would include their Prizefighter results in my considerations as to whether they should enter the list or not, and how high they should enter.

[Horse]

People will soon become sick of me pushing Cleverly but he is at least 4 places too low. He is a domestic no. 1 who last season beat the no. 2 and no. 3 in his division emphatically and impressively. Lindsay, Macklin et al, even Brook cannot say that.

Woods is considered the domestic No.1, not Cleverly. If Oakey had been given more notice, or had not been coming straight off of a loss, then Cleverly might have entered the list straight after that fight, and have been a few places higher now.

Lindsay is the domestic No.1, and he beat Appleby and Matthews who were arguably the No.1 and No.2 in his division.

And speaking of Brook y is he ahead of former world and EBU champs?

Brook is ahead of former world and European champions because he has been fairly active since he won his title, and the likes of Arthur and Napa have lost recently.

Based on the calibre of fighters that he has been beating he is too high in the rankings. He has been active though, and been destroying his low level opponents as well as the decent McIntyre, who was ranked in the top 30 when Brook beat him.

A significant reason behind Brook being ranked so highly is that he beat a top 30 P4P ranked fighter. Other fighters like Cleverly, Barker and Murray have not beaten a P4P ranked fighter, so they didn't get the big boost that Brook got for doing so.

[dbflex]

So does beating 1 of ur top 30 mean more than beating say 3 decent opponents hovering just outside? i.e. Brook beat McIntyre but Clev has beaten Bellew, Oakey and McIntosh. Not being anal, just want 2 know. this is prob y we dont do a brit p4p list.

[mickey1975]

So does beating 1 of ur top 30 mean more than beating say 3 decent opponents hovering just outside? i.e. Brook beat McIntyre but Clev has beaten Bellew, Oakey and McIntosh. Not being anal, just want 2 know. this is prob y we dont do a brit p4p list.

bellew?

[dbflex]

So does beating 1 of ur top 30 mean more than beating say 3 decent opponents hovering just outside? i.e. Brook beat McIntyre but Clev has beaten Bellew, Oakey and McIntosh. Not being anal, just want 2 know. this is prob y we dont do a brit p4p list.

bellew?

Lol, Freudian slip? I meant Quigley of course who was stopped with body blows, hasn't lost since and is now a British champ. There are far too many Tonys in those weight classes from Liverpool! Sorry Bomber but I am a staunch red.

[Horse]

i agree about cleverly

however, as for the logic applied - i think i am right in saying (correct me if wrong) that this is simply the list of what the guy considers to be the best fighters, not a schedule of achievement, if you like ....

I consider achievement to be more important than ability when judging where a boxer should be ranked.

[Horse]

McCloskey is 15 places too low - seriously!

If he doesn't fight then I can't move him up. The M'baye fight should sort McCloskey's ranking problem out.

[Horse]

Hmm, it would be good to know what the criteria is. Even then, surely a guy can look better v weaker opposition so its unfair?

I take everything into account.

[Horse]

You are not the first person to say that this list is unfair.

I don't see how my list is unfair.

Lol, it all depends on the criteria. I can't claim it as definitiively unfair if I have the criteria all wrong.

It is a general P4P ranking, taking into account both achievement and ability.

[johnswan1]

Get Hatton either off or further down the list. He will never be the same again having being sparked out against Pacquaio in that humiliating defeat.

[Horse]

Horse, why have you left Joe Calzaghe off the list?

He's planning to fight Roy Jones again after he wins Strictly Come Ice Dancing Get Me Out of Here.

I don't believe that Calzaghe has mentioned that he intends to make a comeback.

If Calzaghe does make a comeback then he can return to the list following a win.

[Horse]

i think you are confusing criteria with 'makes it up as he goes along'

no offense Horse.

Isn't that what most people do when they compile a list?