Tyson Fury.. the raw facts, lets put this to bed. (Merged)

[Twinkle Toes]

You were doing Ok Rhino, until you mentioned that his punching power seemed impressive.

[rhino222]

Tyson needs learning fights, why is everyone trying to match him up to get beat, dont you guys like supporting him,

I understand that. However, I'm going by what Tyson Fury, himself said mate. He said, no heavyweight in Britain wants to fight him.

Audley will take the fight. He has no where to go. If Tyson is as good as Mick Hennessy, himself and his team thinks. Then make the fight happen. It would only take 1 phone call. Audley would jump at the chance.

Why are people believing in this hype, when it's clear Mick Hennessy, Tyson Fury and his team clearly don't. By the choices they are clearly making.

audley would jump at the chance to be laid out on terrestrial tv again? .....i dont think so for one minute, audley would only take a domestic title fight, so he could maximise his earning potential in case he got his arse handed to him on a plate again.

audley has all the skills in the world, but he has the heart of a cabbage, he would be shit scared facing fury, and when audley is scared he gets beat as he goes into his shell and refuses to unload leather.

[MPG]

If and only if this fight was to take off after Fury comes back from the US,AND Audley crumbles after a few rounds,would the people on here stop giving him stick or would we be back to square 1 ?
IMO he shouldnt be fight the like's of Audley untill after his 10th fight.His on a learning curve and so let him learn.

[whiskey]

I like the guy and want him to do well.

He's simply entertainment at the moment, let's review him in a couple of years time.

[oliverfennell]

Audley beat Mark Krence in his fifth fight; that was a very, very good result for a novice pro, especially with Krence being 11-0 and a prospect himself i.e. had some hunger, unlike the Ellis of 2009.

good point oliver, but i also remember audley being rocked to his boots in the same fight......and also rocked to his boots by ellis a number of fights later i think.

Rocked by Ellis?? Can't remember that at all! Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember it, while I can remember the Krence incident.

Mind you, the Audley-Ellis fight was overshadowed by the ruckus that followed, which I was almost engulfed by!

[oliverfennell]

Audley beat Mark Krence in his fifth fight; that was a very, very good result for a novice pro, especially with Krence being 11-0 and a prospect himself i.e. had some hunger, unlike the Ellis of 2009.

Audley was a 32/33 year old man in his pysical prime, an Olympic champion with a long amatuer pedigree.....Tyson Fury is a young lad wth a huge pysique and a lot to learn.

Of course. My point wasn't to detract from Fury, as I agree with the general consensus that he's being matched well for a novice.

I just like to remind people that Audley had a well-above-average standard of competition during his apprenticeship. It's very fashionable to forget/ignore that.

[oliverfennell]

Tyson Fury said no heavyweight in Britain wants to fight him. Audley has nothing. He doesn't even have a promoter as far as I know. I'm 99% sure if they offered the fight to Audley he would take it. What else does he have? So why isn't it happening? Because Tyson Fury would lose and it would be the end of all the hype.

Mick Hennessy could make that fight with one phone call, but it's not going to happen. If Mick Hennessy and Tyson Fury's team really belived in him. His next fight would be Audley.

They can't have much faith in him. Or this fight would be on.

There's more to it than than the simple pairing of Boxer A and Boxer B, though. Would Audley accept a six-rounder, with the accompanying dip in pay? Or would Fury step up to eight or 10-round level without even having completed four?

[dondada]

He's simply entertainment at the moment, let's review him in a couple of years time.

How DARE you come on here and start talking sense? Disgraceful.

I don't think most people on here would necessarily be knocking his level of opposition, though Ellis was very small in comparison.

If he's getting on people's nerves, it's the hype that does it. I've had many, many press releases about Fury and every single one states 'heavyweight sensation Tyson Fury' which gives me an immediate editing job.

I think he's good for the game though - good to have a bit of chat!

And David Price's quote in response to Fury's claim he knocked him down in the ams was the funniest of the lot:

"I think he must have some memory problems. Or he's just stupid. In fact, it's probably both."

[DavidPayne]

Audley beat Mark Krence in his fifth fight; that was a very, very good result for a novice pro, especially with Krence being 11-0 and a prospect himself i.e. had some hunger, unlike the Ellis of 2009.

good point oliver, but i also remember audley being rocked to his boots in the same fight......and also rocked to his boots by ellis a number of fights later i think.

Rocked by Ellis?? Can't remember that at all! Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember it, while I can remember the Krence incident.

Mind you, the Audley-Ellis fight was overshadowed by the ruckus that followed, which I was almost engulfed by!

I dont remember Ellis rocking Audley either? I remember a dull fight, sitting on velour seats and agreeing with the judges who gave Barney the win over one-armed Francis. Unless I'm mixing up my Audley fights.

[oliverfennell]

Audley-Ellis was at York Hall. I did spend many an Audley fight in a Wembley CC velour seat, though. I think Barney-Francis was on the Draskovic card, but could be wrong. And Barney won for me, although clearly he wouldn't have if Francis had had the use of two arms.

[ALI]

Gangly is the word that comes to mind when watching Fury ply his trade. I'm far from sold on him and i doubt he will ever make it to world level. But, to an to be fair, he's young and needs time to develop.

Good luck to him......... i think he'll need it!

[DavidPayne]

Audley-Ellis was at York Hall. I did spend many an Audley fight in a Wembley CC velour seat, though. I think Barney-Francis was on the Draskovic card, but could be wrong. And Barney won for me, although clearly he wouldn't have if Francis had had the use of two arms.

Yes it was Drakovic, Ellis was sat in front of me with his girlfriend - who was, as you can imagine, a right bag of spanners;-)

[stujones]

Ellis slightly wobbled Harrison, as did Krence. I think rocked to the boots is a little bit extreme.

[Coco]

Gangly is the word that comes to mind when watching Fury ply his trade. I'm far from sold on him and i doubt he will ever make it to world level. But, to an to be fair, he's young and needs time to develop.

Good luck to him......... i think he'll need it!

He will never make it if he is thrown to the lions like most on this forum are suggesting. Don't be fooled by the hype, they have no intention of sticking him in with any British heavy, it's just a ploy to get publicity, a ploy that has worked well.
I will reiterate, Fury is a very young novice who has been matched carefully, done what he has needed to do and needs to carry on learning, if this continues he has every chance of fulfilling his potential.
Personally I don't believe he is above domestic standard, but he is very marketable, has had money invested in him and he needs to be given every chance

[Exoddus]

He will never make it if he is thrown to the lions like most on this forum are suggesting. Don't be fooled by the hype, they have no intention of sticking him in with any British heavy, it's just a ploy to get publicity, a ploy that has worked well.

That's the point I'm making. People are too fast to jump on the bandwagon and believe in all the hype.

[leforge]

U thought Fury did well to last the distance but I ahad him as clear loser. How far can he go? I think Chisora and Price are better prospects than him. I think he canregroup to Euro level in future he has been been pushed too soon!

[Noelsy]

he never won the night big fury is in to much of a hurry only a young lad time hes goes back to the drawing bored

[gasman]

On tonights performance I think Sexton could outbox him. Fury is just so easy to hit and he is so static.

[n1ebf]

Not very.

[Coco]

Despite me being impressed by Fury's improvement, I almost started to believe! But I have always maintained that Price was a far better prospect.
Fury will win the British at most, but needs to improve first.

[jBacca]

Despite me being impressed by Fury's improvement, I almost started to believe! But I have always maintained that Price was a far better prospect

Me too. I was sucked in by the Fury hype, and even had him down as winner (he definitely weren't).

He hasn't got the power, and gets hit far too much.

Makes me far more excited to see what Pricey can do! Anyone know how Pricey looked in sparring against McDermott?

[bobcat]

didnt he literally punch HIMSELF once.

hey,im with you brits,id love to see the second coming of lewis,but doesnt a sentence like ``didnt he punch himself`` put an end to any `` how good is he`` queries?

im just kidding of course,you brits are allright.

[Asterix]

How good is he? Pretty shite, to be honest. His punches looked really weak, he forgot to use any technique that he might have learnt (I'm sick of watching him 'arm punch'), his stamina was still shoddy and he fought a terrible game plan.

I saw him live and I can't believe how bad he was. McDermott was surprising tonight. I thought he did very well (closing the gap and landing flush shots -- he hurt Fury twice, that I saw).

I saw it live, for what it's worth. I've got no idea what the commentary was like.

[neil hibbert]

he also had no answer everytime mcd threw the double jab he landed something off it everytime

[Asterix]

He fought an arguable British Heavyweight Champion in his eighth fight.

So what? We're talking about how good he IS, not how good he is going to be.