Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym v Bernard Dunne

[slapbangwhallop]

it's because the work we submit is professional and generally with no grammatical errors

"Generally without grammatical errors" would read much better.
Otherwise, well done.
Boxing "journalism" is notorious for employing local stringers who aren't anywhere near professional standard but can cover a fight and are "handy". So don't get up on your high horse because you get a by-line in a few mags.

Both Julian and I have written more than a few by-lines in a few mags. Both of us do make our living from boxing, so I guess we're a couple of the lucky ones.

As far as ripping this "poor bloke" to shreds, both Julian and I talked about this and the reason we did so is his flippant attitude towards his mistakes. Granted, if he's only had seven articles published he's inexperienced, but the idea is to have zero mistakes, regardless of the word count.

And Poonsawat has not sparred with Pongsaklek.

a. Apart from mistaking the Cambodian border for the Vietnamese border (which I freely admitted was an error and I mailed my editor on the 1st of September to correct) - how many mistakes were there in the article?

b. If Poonsawat never sparred with Pongsaklek then why did you say they did in your article that I outlined above.

[J]

and how many does you editor on average remove, cos I can tell you my old editor Ian Mc used to butcher my efforts.

As for zero mistakes you read BN lately?

ok fair comment form you however in response I would say give the lad a break to be writing about these guys when there are so many easier options to take.

Yawns at the prospect of yet another biltonesque P4P top ten article.....

[slapbangwhallop]

Sligo mate if you have only done 7 articles I think its commedable you give airtime to what in world boxing terms is basically a back water.

The fact you have made a few mistakes in your 7th article is bound to happen.

Dont get disheartened and Im guessing you arent getting paid like the pro's are so doing for the love of the sport.
Try and work on getting the facts straight and maybe raise with your editor also, a good ed is worth their wieght in gold mate, its partly down to him to spot some of these mistakes.

And 3 thousand words on basically a subject half the world dont care about is bloody good effort.

Aas for the pro journos on here ripping the poor bloke to shreds its that type of attitude that turn speople off this sport, if you are so opiniated get over the the Joe calzaghe thread and pick on a real issue there, instead of someone starting out and doing their best..pompous pair that you are. Grow some balls and comment on important issues cos you sure seem opinionated enough here..

Bet you have had plenty of articles corrected either prior to print or after in your time so it wouldnt hurt to be a tad more understanding and encouraging.

thank you for that and yeah I am not getting paid - I just wrote the article to help promote Irish boxing and boxers.

I have a full time job and just do it in the evenings if I have got time (in between helping to organise a wedding) and prior to today I had PM'd both of the guys that are having a go at me to ask them their opinions on Poonsawat - lowersmith never replied but Scott was kind enough to and I in return sent him a link to on of Dunnes fights on RTE and asked if he was going to the fight because I was going to offer to buy him a pint!

Anyway, I have a thick skin and I appricated Scott's initial contructive comments that he sent me on August 31st in which he pointed out the border error and said that Poonsawat looked more like a Pitbull with chewed ears than my description of him as looking like an "angelic choirboy".

My beef is with them (lowersmith in particular) is that they trying to make out that because they have different opinions than me that I am factually incorrect - which is nonsense.

[gasman]

Honestly, there's a reason why Julian writes for Boxing News and the Bangkok Post and I write for The Ring, Boxing Digest, Boxing News and various other publications - it's because the work we submit is professional and generally with no grammatical errors. Say what you will about the publications but there are far less mistakes in those magazines than online in articles similar to yours.

Could you be any more pompous? You and your sidekick have went out of your way to get on your high horse here, over a couple of pedantic errors.

Sligoboy - keep doing your thing and ignore these two 'experts'.

[steve689]

Scott could you please clear something up for me because I'm a little off the pace here. Are you saying you did or did not write the Sweet Science article? Because unless I am reading this wrong you appear to be disagreeing with the article that gives your name at the bottom.

Rubbish pal....this article is full of rubbish.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... ll-matador

This 10 page thread is ambiguous enough without more confusion! :)

And on the name issue. Is Chalermwong now his family name and Kratingdeanggym his pseudonym? Perhaps you could clear up that too because you have better knowledge of that sort of thing than I do.

[J]

yah you wouldnt want to get your Chalermwong's mixed up with your Kratingdeanggym's that could be painful.

Sligho fair enough mate i used to the same for BBN well got ringside for some good fights of course that was payment enough and made some good mates too which was an extra into the bargain. Good luck to you mate.

[slapbangwhallop]

Scott could you please clear something up for me because I'm a little off the pace here. Are you saying you did or did not write the Sweet Science article? Because unless I am reading this wrong you appear to be disagreeing with the article that gives your name at the bottom.

Rubbish pal....this article is full of rubbish.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... ll-matador

This 10 page thread is ambiguous enough without more confusion! :)

And on the name issue. Is Chalermwong now his family name and Kratingdeanggym his pseudonym? Perhaps you could clear up that too because you have better knowledge of that sort of thing than I do.

my understanding is that he hasnt changed his "fighting name" i.e. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym but his real or original name - he said it was to give him good luck.

"Poonsawat has changed his real name from Prakob Udomna to Chalermwong Udomna specifically for the match, believing that his new name may help with his luck at the world title."

[Collins2000]

Sligo, don't let these two arrogant clowns dishearten you.

[ApolloCreed]

Both Julian and I have written more than a few by-lines in a few mags. Both of us do make our living from boxing, so I guess we're a couple of the lucky ones.

"Both of us do make our living from boxing"?
You won't make much of a living if this is how you construct sentences.

"Oooh, Julian and I aren't happy with that"

Get a grip, man. Coming over as Mr Big Nuts on a boxing message board is pathetic.

[opticald]

Lets get this straight lads, we're all here to talk boxing, we can all get along. I think Scott and sligo are fantastic posters and have thier own strengths. The board wouldnt be the same without either of them. Scott has given some really good info on fighters, great info on poonsawat indeed. Sligo knows a-z about irish boxing.

Cop on lads and sort it out like gents and lets get back to talking boxing and talking about the EXCITING FIGHT - Dunne vs Poonsawat, instead of going back and forth.

[opticald]

Fight Between Dunne and Vasquez is on cards for end of November. Fight would be in O2, las vegas or MSG (From Irish Independent 10 Sept). Hope date will not clash with world cup playoff for Republic of Ireland.

Vasqeuz KO1

[steve689]

Opticald not an Optimist

[lowersmiths]

My beef is with them (lowersmith in particular) is that they trying to make out that because they have different opinions than me that I am factually incorrect - which is nonsense.

don't be a drama queen. when i first read the article i noticed two factual errors and pointed them out - no big deal everyone makes them and when they are picked up they can be corrected.

you said there weren't any more so i pointed out a couple of others, because it is clear that you haven't seen the fights you are talking about.

why get so excited?

[lowersmiths]

Sligo, don't let these two arrogant clowns dishearten you.

hang on a minute - what i have said that is arrogant?

[BigEars]

Fight Between Dunne and Vasquez is on cards for end of November. Fight would be in O2, las vegas or MSG (From Irish Independent 10 Sept). Hope date will not clash with world cup playoff for Republic of Ireland.

Sometimes wrong with that info anyway because there's no way Dunne's going to be fighting 8 weeks after Poonsawat.
Dunne's training camps alone are longer than that and it's not like he's going to blow the Thai away in 2/3 rounds in an easy fight, take a few days off and then go back training.

Very presumptuous to be making fights aswell when you've got a 50/50 fight coming up.

[steve689]

With Bernard's new regime, as Big Ears says, there's no way he will be in a fight of such magnitude (Vazquez) within 8 weeks. Dunne's style means wars and I expect a thorough up and downer with Poonsawat. This is a 50/50 fight and by no means a forgone conclusion.

[lowersmiths]

it's obvious dunne and his people are looking past poonsawat, which is another advantage for the thai. it also means that when poonsawat wins he may be able to get a match with vazquez - good job, all round.

[slapbangwhallop]

My beef is with them (lowersmith in particular) is that they trying to make out that because they have different opinions than me that I am factually incorrect - which is nonsense.

don't be a drama queen. when i first read the article i noticed two factual errors and pointed them out - no big deal everyone makes them and when they are picked up they can be corrected.

you said there weren't any more so i pointed out a couple of others, because it is clear that you haven't seen the fights you are talking about.

why get so excited?

I am hardly a drama queen. You were stating that differing opinions were factual inaccuracies which I thought was an incorrect stance to take.

well when I poins out that the information about the Poonsawat sparring partner originated from Scott both of you went surprisingly quiet about it.

[Deno1986]

Fight Between Dunne and Vasquez is on cards for end of November. Fight would be in O2, las vegas or MSG (From Irish Independent 10 Sept). Hope date will not clash with world cup playoff for Republic of Ireland.

I think thats a load of bull coming from the Indo. If Dunne does beat Poonsawat that would give him 8 weeks of recovery and training to face one of the best P4P fighters in the world, not happening. Anyway didnt Freddie Roach say Vazquez was moving up to Featherweight? If they ever do meet in the future at Featherweight it will be a short fight.

[scottmallon]

My beef is with them (lowersmith in particular) is that they trying to make out that because they have different opinions than me that I am factually incorrect - which is nonsense.

don't be a drama queen. when i first read the article i noticed two factual errors and pointed them out - no big deal everyone makes them and when they are picked up they can be corrected.

you said there weren't any more so i pointed out a couple of others, because it is clear that you haven't seen the fights you are talking about.

why get so excited?

I am hardly a drama queen. You were stating that differing opinions were factual inaccuracies which I thought was an incorrect stance to take.

well when I poins out that the information about the Poonsawat sparring partner originated from Scott both of you went surprisingly quiet about it.

Poonsawat did NOT spar with Pongsaklek and I verified this a few days ago. When I did the article he was under the impression he would be sparring with Pongsaklek. As is often the case here in Thailand, the top fighters, instead of helping one another, often refuse to spar in order to save face. Personally I think they need to get in the ring with one another more often but they rarely do so.

[J]

right so it was you that got it wrong then Scott orginally. Funny way you were going about it I coudl have sworn that it was Sligho who you were accusing of factual innacuracies.

thanks for clarifying.

[scottmallon]

right so it was you that got it wrong then Scott orginally. Funny way you were going about it I coudl have sworn that it was Sligho who you were accusing of factual innacuracies.

thanks for clarifying.

I didn't get anything wrong - at the time the article was written Poonsawat told me he would be sparring with Pongsaklek. If he didn't do so - which he didn't - then it's a bit late to go back and change the article.

[J]

but yet you slate someone for using your article as a reference point.

sorry to offend but in this thread you have come accross as a complete plonker.

[lowersmiths]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/ ... loose-ends

[slapbangwhallop]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/ ... loose-ends

"I'm a bit worried about the refereeing and the judges because I am in Dunne's country" - good to hear him gettin his excuses in early!!! Just like against Sidorenko!!