Tyson Fury.. the raw facts, lets put this to bed. (Merged)

[exittored]

He fought an arguable British Heavyweight Champion in his eighth fight.

So what? We're talking about how good he IS, not how good he is going to be.

I was shocked at how bad he looked tonite.

The HYPE is dead about him, maybe now he can take a few steps back and work on his faults which there are many.

He seriously needs some strength conditioning, that body looks weak! Infact the best thing to do would be to take him out of boxing for a year and just work on putting some muscle and definition to his body but thats not going to happen even though he is only 21 and could afford to do it.

Another sad thing was that a Devastating performance from Fury may just have convinced ITV4 to carry on with their Boxing coverage if only to just showcase him.

Asterix, how did you score the fight in terms of RDS?

[Asterix]

Asterix, how did you score the fight in terms of RDS?

Unfortunately, I have no answer for that, for I didn't. I was just enjoying the fight. It seemed as though Fury won a couple of rounds and McDermott won the rest.

[exittored]

Asterix, how did you score the fight in terms of RDS?

Unfortunately, I have no answer for that, for I didn't. I was just enjoying the fight. It seemed as though Fury won a couple of rounds and McDermott won the rest.

OK Fair enough

I personally had it 5-5 athough Mac won his 5 rds clearly whilst the one's Fury won were very close so the overall impression would obviously be that Mac won the fight.

Having re-watched the fight i personally would have given Mac a standing count in the 9th, Fury hit him with a very good shot and Mac turned his back on any follow up only for O'CONNOR to stop the action and allow Mac to turn around....since when has turning your back been an acceptable form of defense in Boxing? clearly he was hurt and should have been given a count for refusing to fight.

[Des1]

Fury is not as good as he's hyped up to be.....Does anyone remember Jamie Branch (think names right), he will turn out like him

[crusader]

I think people should give him more of a chance. He is only 21 and was in his 8th fight. Hopkins, Gatti, Pacquaio, Donaire, etc all lost in the early stages of their career to far worse fighters then McDermott and they turned out fine. I think Fury will at least make it to Euro level.

[Abbo]

Why though?? Lot's of people get beat sure, but when the dust settles we need to look at the tools theyve got and ask ourselves if *experience* will allow the guy to get them to work to best effect.

He hasn't got what's required, i.e accuracy, strength, punch power, head movement, defence, stamina.

100% the white Audley.

[earsjohn]

Despite me being impressed by Fury's improvement, I almost started to believe! But I have always maintained that Price was a far better prospect.
Fury will win the British at most, but needs to improve first.

I vaguely remember this Price guy. Is he still around? Seems to have disappeared - 1 fight a year at this stage of his career is probably not doing him much good, no matter how much quality sparring he's getting.

[bynino]

I agree with most of the comments. But now he should realise that he hasn't got the knockout power at top end domestic level. So he needs to use his attributes (reach,height and hand speed) to keep the fight at range. I know thats what he was trying unsuccessfully to do last night. But he needs to improve his footwork and defensive skills in order to keep the fight at long range. He's only 7 fights into his career so can still develop. Although he will probably only be british level or european level at best. And yes he is the white audley! :). He was given a gift last night and should make the most of it. Stop deluding himself and put the hard work in the gym improving his skill set.

Price is suffering the fallout of the Setanta collapse, he is still signed with Hayemaker. He needs to get on other promoters bills in order to stay busy. Price should be fighting every 6 weeks! Unluckily for him with no TV deal hayemaker aren't able to finance shows.

[Punchy Joe]

He lacks arm strength, and that's going to be hard to build up now. After lasts nights performance, I don't think Fury can make it to anywhere near world level.

[jizzle]

He lacks arm strength, and that's going to be hard to build up now. After lasts nights performance, I don't think Fury can make it to anywhere near world level.

McGuigan flagged it up in Fury's first couple of fights I think. He's an arm puncher and although he's got fast hand speed, there is absolutely zero pop in his punches.

Before anyone comes back and mentions his KO rate prior to McD, just take a look at the opposition. They were ALL in there for easy paydays and took a knee at the first opportunity. Ellis should have had his license withheld after that performance, his surrender was pityful.

[FtmPress]

He was exposed by John

[Shirow]

I was on the verge of becoming a believer after the Belshaw fight. I could understand his other opponents finding themselves on the end of a barrage of arm punches with no way of getting close and mentallly folding. I though Belshaw would be coming to win even if he's not very good so Fury taking him out with ease impressed me.

Fury's not the white Audley because his accuracy, strength, punch power, head movement, defence & stamina can all be improved. He showed heart (which A-Farce never has) fighting back in his first fight where there was any resistance and one that turned out very tough. He'd never been pushed in the slightest in four rounders and was fighting harder than McD in the 10th.

Anyway we should remember to save our bile for O'Connor that was a great domestic heavyweight fight. McD fought better than ever, Fury pushed back as hard as he could and then the idiot ref spoilt the whole night.

[Eraserhead]

He got schooled by John McMuffin. And this after his grotesque father told the world he'd smash George Foreman to bits, outbox Michael Spinks and piss all over both the Klitschkos.

Fury's awful. Area title level at best.

[TerribleTerry]

He is not as good as he thinks he is, clearly.

[alexpaterson]

Not very he is unbelievable over-rated he lacks power and doesnt authoritate the ring he let McDermott push him around he's a big lad and should take the middle of the ring but he never I dont think he'll get past Euro level he is a hype job imo

[WildWaylon]

Fury was out of his depth, just not enough experiance. He needed several more fights before taking on McDermott. The decision was totally wrong but the point scoring was rediculous. I maybe could have agreed with the score had it been given the other way. Fury knows he didnt win and he looked surprised to me when his arm was lifted. Fury has now had a taste of being in a real fight and will realise he isnt as good as he thought he was. Full credit to McDermott, he was there to win and he did more than enough to do so. You have to feel really sorry for McDermott, almost any other ref would have given him the fight. I think we now know enough about Tyson Fury to see he is not a World champion of the future. Even taking into account his lack of experiance he doesnt look as if he will go further than British at best. He doesnt have the punch power even if he improves his technique which I am sure he will. So many times we have seen fighters blasting out opponents and getting masses of hype such as "could be the best ever". The fact is once they reach a certain level they look ordinary and the KOs stop happening. He may have lacked skills but Matt Skelton was a far better fighter. Age of course was against him which isnt the case with Fury.

[U.F.O]

i think Tyson looks ok for a 8 fight pro,
the McDermott fight just came abit to soon for him imo, Team Tyson were just beliving their own hype a little bit to much and he has alot of work to do before steping up again.

The worring thing for fury is imo is he has no power so don't think he will ever go beyond Domestic level.

[Coco]

Tall fighters will always have probs on the inside, the likes of the Klits and Lewis always did all their work from the outside. The prob was McDermott could walk straight through Fury.
If you look at the Klits, they don't let fighters near them, they use ramrod jabs and right hands to keep opponents off and break them down.
If Fury hasn't got the timing, speed, accuracy and power to do it to Big John, who doesn't have fast feet or head movement, he is unlikely to win a Brit title.
McDermott just walked him down in straight lines.

[funso banjo baby]

he is dull and listless

he has a stupid name

everyone jumped on the bandwagon

its almost all over now



grow up

its all about prizefighter

[WildWaylon]

Tall fighters will always have probs on the inside, the likes of the Klits and Lewis always did all their work from the outside. The prob was McDermott could walk straight through Fury.
If you look at the Klits, they don't let fighters near them, they use ramrod jabs and right hands to keep opponents off and break them down.
If Fury hasn't got the timing, speed, accuracy and power to do it to Big John, who doesn't have fast feet or head movement, he is unlikely to win a Brit title.
McDermott just walked him down in straight lines.

What you are saying is quite true and its easier to punch up than punch down. Being very tall does have its disadvantages. The jab is key and it has to be a good one, as with the Klits. The poking, measuring jab is no good at all, except perhaps in the first round, but after that it has to be delivered with force. Furys jab just wasnt good enough to stop McDermott getting inside. Cant see Fury doing better than British and he has a long way to go yet to reach British level.

[WildWaylon]

he is dull and listless

he has a stupid name

everyone jumped on the bandwagon

its almost all over now



grow up

its all about prizefighter

So you think prizefigter will sort out who is our best HW, I doubt it. Tyson is actually his middle name, obviously his father was a fan. Fury isnt the real deal, thats obvious, and he will have to set his sights a lot lower. The big mean destroyer is not what Fury is, and on that we are agreed.

[Matt W]

I never believed the hype, which I believe has done him no favors. His willingness to challenge himself should be applauded and he proved his heart last night, but the deficiencies that have been highlighted here have been apparent all along and will prevent him going beyond British level IMO.

[Spud]

I am not giving up on him just yet.

He is young and last nights fight and the way it went will be a massive learning curve for him - I completely agree with everyone who says Fury lost the fight - however Fury stuck in there when the likes of Audley would have dive bombed into the canvass - Fury is clearly at one of them crossroads - in my view he clearly has talent but there is also clearly a lot of work to be done.

Do not give up on him just yet.

[Max Molyneux]

He'll lose to anyone who fights back like McDermott, his last 7 before John didn't even try to fight him so no wonder he won. Peret looked like he might of tried but got cut too early.

Hennessey as usual will throw him in the lions den probably not as bad as Walker (which didn't Maloney warn about on here in one of the threads?) and he'll be smashed!

Just a mouthy fatty who thinks he's owed what he hasn't earned.

[harrygreb]

too much too soon. too many things to work on to throw him into brit title fight. he "won" but this result will do him no favours at all. i'd get him back to developing what i thought once was a very dangerous uppercut and the ways to get into position to use it before he is totally exposed