DDNurse! He's out again.DG. wrote:The guy can barely box!
PBF would decision him or stop hit to the body.
Mosley would KO him.
He lost TWICE to JMM!!
He beat an old Barrera - lost to Morales when Morales still had fire in him.
He beat Hatton....SO???
Get in the ring with Mosley and PBF and he will be 0-2!
Carbo wrote:Nurse! He's out again.DG. wrote:The guy can barely box!
PBF would decision him or stop hit to the body.
Mosley would KO him.
He lost TWICE to JMM!!
He beat an old Barrera - lost to Morales when Morales still had fire in him.
He beat Hatton....SO???
Get in the ring with Mosley and PBF and he will be 0-2!
DDdiggler wrote:i agree with d.g marquez beat him twice mosley would stop him flyod would beat him wide and beating hatton proved nothing de la hoya was barley able to throw a punch and diaz was by far the weakest of the lightweight champion who got luck against a shot to peices morales
Carbo wrote:Nurse! He's out again.DG. wrote:The guy can barely box!
PBF would decision him or stop hit to the body.
Mosley would KO him.
He lost TWICE to JMM!!
He beat an old Barrera - lost to Morales when Morales still had fire in him.
He beat Hatton....SO???
Get in the ring with Mosley and PBF and he will be 0-2!
but seriously he is over-rated IMO.He is!teddy007 wrote:Carbo wrote:Nurse! He's out again.DG. wrote:The guy can barely box!
PBF would decision him or stop hit to the body.
Mosley would KO him.
He lost TWICE to JMM!!
He beat an old Barrera - lost to Morales when Morales still had fire in him.
He beat Hatton....SO???
Get in the ring with Mosley and PBF and he will be 0-2!
DDDo you not have Pacquiao in your P4P top 10?DG. wrote:Pacman is not p4p anything!
If he can beat Cotto then he can beat those two.Tommy Gunn13 wrote:He would be top 10 p4p,but i agree with DG he wouldnt beat Mayweather or Mosley....
Mayweather would run rings round him&make him look very ordinaryHorse wrote:If he can beat Cotto then he can beat those two.Tommy Gunn13 wrote:He would be top 10 p4p,but i agree with DG he wouldnt beat Mayweather or Mosley....
Boxing does not work like that.Horse wrote:If he can beat Cotto then he can beat those two.Tommy Gunn13 wrote:He would be top 10 p4p,but i agree with DG he wouldnt beat Mayweather or Mosley....
DDMy argument is a 70% Morales beat him.WayoftheCass wrote:Getting beat twice off of JMM is just your opinion. He crushed Morales twice in rematches and was the reason 'El Terrible' was shot to hell against David Diaz. Barrera went on to claim big wins long after his loss to Pacquiao and nobody ever layed a beating on him like Manny did. If Ricky was so terrible how did he win rounds against PBF?
Oscar also landed probably as many blows against Manny as JMM did against Floyd the other night.
Oh and wasn't Mosley struggling with Ricardo Mayorga until he delivered a final second KO???? As great a fighter as Mayorga is n' all.
You can use facts to support any argument. The fact is that Manny is a former FLYWEIGHT champion who has defeated Barrera, Morales (twice), JMM, Hatton and ODLH! He deserves to be where he is.
DD
tell ODLH that. As he knew Oscar was bigger than him, he boxed his ears off, weight drained or not.Floyd regained no. 1 spot even before he fought JMM, as soon as he came out of retirement. What he showed yet again on Sat night was that he is far and away the greatest boxer of this generation. He would humiliate Manny.chesh wrote:Floyd has not regained his P4P no. 1 spot by bullying a SMALLER fighter in a boring performance - which is what he did the other night. Pac has earned the top spot by bulling BIGGER fighters in sensational performances. Pac is faster than Floyd, hits harder and throws bombs from crazy angles which would seriously test even Floyd's defensive skills. P4P Pac is better, but as Floyd seems to have bulked up during his "retirement" his probable in-ring weight advantage of about 10 pounds might even things out in an actual fight. This thread is about P4P, however, and whichever way you look at it, Pac is ahead. More titles in more weight classes, more future Hall of Famers fought and defeated. And, last but not least, Pac ducks no-one.
totally agreehayemaker1000 wrote:Floyd regained no. 1 spot even before he fought JMM, as soon as he came out of retirement. What he showed yet again on Sat night was that he is far and away the greatest boxer of this generation. He would humiliate Manny.chesh wrote:Floyd has not regained his P4P no. 1 spot by bullying a SMALLER fighter in a boring performance - which is what he did the other night. Pac has earned the top spot by bulling BIGGER fighters in sensational performances. Pac is faster than Floyd, hits harder and throws bombs from crazy angles which would seriously test even Floyd's defensive skills. P4P Pac is better, but as Floyd seems to have bulked up during his "retirement" his probable in-ring weight advantage of about 10 pounds might even things out in an actual fight. This thread is about P4P, however, and whichever way you look at it, Pac is ahead. More titles in more weight classes, more future Hall of Famers fought and defeated. And, last but not least, Pac ducks no-one.
You've completely misunderstood my post and the thread topic, i.e. the concept of "pound for pound". Nor have you backed up your statement with any reasoned argument - Mayweather's performance on Saturday night did nothing for his pound for pound status.hayemaker1000 wrote:Floyd regained no. 1 spot even before he fought JMM, as soon as he came out of retirement. What he showed yet again on Sat night was that he is far and away the greatest boxer of this generation. He would humiliate Manny.chesh wrote:Floyd has not regained his P4P no. 1 spot by bullying a SMALLER fighter in a boring performance - which is what he did the other night. Pac has earned the top spot by bulling BIGGER fighters in sensational performances. Pac is faster than Floyd, hits harder and throws bombs from crazy angles which would seriously test even Floyd's defensive skills. P4P Pac is better, but as Floyd seems to have bulked up during his "retirement" his probable in-ring weight advantage of about 10 pounds might even things out in an actual fight. This thread is about P4P, however, and whichever way you look at it, Pac is ahead. More titles in more weight classes, more future Hall of Famers fought and defeated. And, last but not least, Pac ducks no-one.
DG. wrote:My argument is a 70% Morales beat him.WayoftheCass wrote:Getting beat twice off of JMM is just your opinion. He crushed Morales twice in rematches and was the reason 'El Terrible' was shot to hell against David Diaz. Barrera went on to claim big wins long after his loss to Pacquiao and nobody ever layed a beating on him like Manny did. If Ricky was so terrible how did he win rounds against PBF?
Oscar also landed probably as many blows against Manny as JMM did against Floyd the other night.
Oh and wasn't Mosley struggling with Ricardo Mayorga until he delivered a final second KO???? As great a fighter as Mayorga is n' all.
You can use facts to support any argument. The fact is that Manny is a former FLYWEIGHT champion who has defeated Barrera, Morales (twice), JMM, Hatton and ODLH! He deserves to be where he is.
Barrera was not what he was and what big wins after?
The boy can not box for toffee, lets see him raise his hands in the air after mosley hits him, he would get stretched with his hands in the air.
Pacman is only now begining to attempt to box.
PBF UD12 or late KO
SSM wins by K0 and early!
Now Witter is going to Welter, get Witter in with the Pacman DGDG. wrote:The guy can barely box!
PBF would decision him or stop hit to the body.
Mosley would KO him.
He lost TWICE to JMM!!
He beat an old Barrera - lost to Morales when Morales still had fire in him.
He beat Hatton....SO???
Get in the ring with Mosley and PBF and he will be 0-2!
Remind me. who owns the Ring these days?chesh wrote:The Ring Magazine P4P Top 5 as of September 20th 2009:
1. PAC
2. Floyd
3. Mosley
4. B-Hop
5. JMM