Glenn Johnson (The controversial losses)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 02 Nov 2004, 12:32

In my opinion J, if you score the Ottke vs Reid fight counting the ref's mistakes, because unlike Bobi, I saw them as errors. Then Ottke won by 2 points. Like Starie before him, I didn't think Reid did enough to win the fight.

However, counting the Knockdown and not deducting a point then Reid would have won by a point. You might think that is harsh, but as I said IMO Reid didn't do that much and allowed Ottke to win most of the final few rounds.

I actually scored the Starie vs Ottke fight to Ottke only by a round, I thought Starie and Reid's performances were very similar both could have and should have won (after the starts they had made) but allowed Ottke to get back into it. Starie's was more frustrating because he showed in the final two rounds that he had loads left, wheras Reid was looking increasingly tired.

J · Post by J » 02 Nov 2004, 12:47

fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:02

J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.

Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:04

MightyWarrior wrote:
J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.
Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.

no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"

J · Post by J » 02 Nov 2004, 13:04

MightyWarrior wrote:
J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.
Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.

or Svens greatest knockouts that woudl be even shorter, perhaps I could send him a montage of Audleys world championship fights in return? Or perhaps Oscar de la hoya's finest wins, I know he rates Oscar very highly!

just messing bubi dont have a fit.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:08

BubiScholz wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:
J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.
Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.
no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"

Or would you prefer the Robin Reid porno video instead?

J · Post by J » 02 Nov 2004, 13:12

BubiScholz wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:
J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.
Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.
no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"

ivve asked around and I can confirm this film isnt out yet but is due for release in 2005-06. Along with Ricky Hattons meaningful title shots, Scott harrison's unification battles and Joe calzaghe's goes on hols to spain in plane....just to prove he could do it

well 3 out of 4 being a possibility aint bad is it?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:16

MightyWarrior wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote: Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.
no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"
Or would you prefer the Robin Reid porno video instead?

oh sorry, this would be something for REAL DEAL who is the gay minister here

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:19

J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote: Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.
no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"
ivve asked around and I can confirm this film isnt out yet but is due for release in 2005-06. Along with Ricky Hattons meaningful title shots, Scott harrison's unification battles and Joe calzaghe's goes on hols to spain in plane....just to prove he could do it

well 3 out of 4 being a possibility aint bad is it?

what about "Sidonator - how to get the next legend after Schmeling"

(he is the german equivalent to big Audley)

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:20

BubiScholz wrote: oh sorry, this would be something for REAL DEAL who is the gay minister here

I think there's footage of him getting shafted in the Ottke fight included.

J · Post by J » 02 Nov 2004, 13:21

BubiScholz wrote:
J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote: no, i am no Ottke-fan. but i would like to have a video "Audley Harrison - legendary victories to the glamorous world championship"
ivve asked around and I can confirm this film isnt out yet but is due for release in 2005-06. Along with Ricky Hattons meaningful title shots, Scott harrison's unification battles and Joe calzaghe's goes on hols to spain in plane....just to prove he could do it

well 3 out of 4 being a possibility aint bad is it?
what about "Sidonator - how to get the next legend after Schmeling"

(he is the german equivalent to big Audley)

what the next unified world heavyweight champ?

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:21

J wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:
J wrote:fair enough Stu, must admit i havent analysed it that closely its not in my top 1000 must watch again fights, I just remember being toally pissed off at some of the refs antics.
Have you got your "Sven Ottke greatest wins" video yet J? I'm sure Bubi will send you one for X-Mass if you ask nicely.
or Svens greatest knockouts that woudl be even shorter, perhaps I could send him a montage of Audleys world championship fights in return? Or perhaps Oscar de la hoya's finest wins, I know he rates Oscar very highly! just messing bubi dont have a fit.

One thing you have to give Sven, when he finally do knock someone out he does it in fashion

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 02 Nov 2004, 13:33

J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
J wrote: ivve asked around and I can confirm this film isnt out yet but is due for release in 2005-06. Along with Ricky Hattons meaningful title shots, Scott harrison's unification battles and Joe calzaghe's goes on hols to spain in plane....just to prove he could do it

well 3 out of 4 being a possibility aint bad is it?
what about "Sidonator - how to get the next legend after Schmeling"

(he is the german equivalent to big Audley)
what the next unified world heavyweight champ?

jup, after boxing the winner of Pukal vs. Böhme (WAA-championship) this is history made in germany. we will have 2 world champions this year!

Dutch Windmill · Post by **Dutch Windmill** » 02 Nov 2004, 14:48

BubiScholz wrote:Ottke was pissing blood because of his unfair punches in the (Nieren). sorry i don´'t know the english word.

Kidneys...." kidney punching"

Dutch word is the same as german

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 02 Nov 2004, 15:06

Dutch Windmill wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:Ottke was pissing blood because of his unfair punches in the (Nieren). sorry i don´'t know the english word.
Kidneys...." kidney punching"

Dutch word is the same as german

And almost the same in danish, (nyrer, pronounced almost like the german nieren)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 02 Nov 2004, 16:01

BubiScholz wrote:
Kilburn wrote:Bubi to be fair old son Ottke embarrassed us all with his incessant whining against Robin Reid. It was awful. He shamed boxing that night.
Reid was boxing fornicating unfair so the ref and the judges punished him. Ottke was pissing blood because of his unfair punches in the (Nieren). sorry i don´'t know the english word.

Come on stop being so blinkered. Reid was being warned for just about anything including landing clean right hands to the head. The referee was absolutely inept. Reid was not boxing unfairly that is the most ridiculous statement i have seen on boxrec for a long time. Ottke was being unsportsmanlike by whining to the referee about nothing as he did a lot later in his career. Reid won the fight and without the referee warnings would prob have knocked him out as he wouldnt have been worried about being DQ'd for perfectly clean punches.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 02 Nov 2004, 17:19

And back to the subject.......

Johnson-Branco was a bad robbery if i remember correctly, Johnson must also demand respect for KO'ing the very capable German Thomas Ulrich in six rounds.

And back off the subject.......

Ottke was way behind against Mundine IMO, if only that idiot could have stayed on his feet and not got stopped by the feather fisted one it could have all been so different

Even though Mundine got deducted 2 points for a headbutt if i remember correctly he dropped Ottke (could be wrong there) and was leading him a merry dance and making him look a slow old man all throughout the fight...would have been really interesting had that fight gone to the cards.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Nov 2004, 18:00

I am tired talking about the Ottke v Reid fiasco, I'll leave it at this, something stank the place out that night, and it wasn't Reid's aftershave.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 02 Nov 2004, 18:03

steve689 wrote:And back to the subject.......

Johnson-Branco was a bad robbery if i remember correctly, Johnson must also demand respect for KO'ing the very capable German Thomas Ulrich in six rounds.

And back off the subject.......

Ottke was way behind against Mundine IMO, if only that idiot could have stayed on his feet and not got stopped by the feather fisted one it could have all been so different Even though Mundine got deducted 2 points for a headbutt if i remember correctly he dropped Ottke (could be wrong there) and was leading him a merry dance and making him look a slow old man all throughout the fight...would have been really interesting had that fight gone to the cards.

From what I remember Ottke was ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage cant remember the exact scores.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 02 Nov 2004, 18:06

Just checked, German judge had Ottke 3 points up, Spanish and Italian judges had Ottke 1 point in front.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 02 Nov 2004, 18:12

That was a disgrace then, Ottke was having his head boxed off.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 02 Nov 2004, 18:21

steve689 wrote:That was a disgrace then, Ottke was having his head boxed off.

Exactly. I mean if you add the 2 points mundine had taken off for the headbutt then the German judge had Ottke a point up and that includes a knockdown for Mundine.... although i am not sure he got a 10-8 for that round from memory.

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 02 Nov 2004, 19:17

Re: Ottke vs Mundine

Funniest shit ever before the fight when Mundine was sayiny shit like "Ottke hits like a girl" and then gets KO'd of the guy

Ottke-Reid Ref was one of the worst i have ever seen, was giving Reid warnings for hitting him with legitimate shots to the face

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Nov 2004, 19:18

tHAT HAS TO BE THE MOST BENT REFEREEING i'VE EVER SEEN. SO FLAGRANT IT WAS UNTRUE.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 03 Nov 2004, 05:52

007 wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
Kilburn wrote:Bubi to be fair old son Ottke embarrassed us all with his incessant whining against Robin Reid. It was awful. He shamed boxing that night.
Reid was boxing fornicating unfair so the ref and the judges punished him. Ottke was pissing blood because of his unfair punches in the (Nieren). sorry i don´'t know the english word.

Come on stop being so blinkered. Reid was being warned for just about anything including landing clean right hands to the head. The referee was absolutely inept. Reid was not boxing unfairly that is the most ridiculous statement i have seen on boxrec for a long time. Ottke was being unsportsmanlike by whining to the referee about nothing as he did a lot later in his career. Reid won the fight and without the referee warnings would prob have knocked him out as he wouldnt have been worried about being DQ'd for perfectly clean punches.

so you think he pissed blood because of clean head shots? funny