David Tua V Joe Frazier

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 17:59

I think that woul be a war.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Dec 2009, 18:22

hmmm....let me get back to you on this one, I really need to weigh in on this, because Tua probably has the best resume of any HW I've seen in the last ten years who never made champ.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 13 Dec 2009, 20:25

I think it would be a massacre.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 20:41

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I think it would be a massacre.

Yeah, because Tua's fight always ended up with him massacred. I never saw a fighter taste the canvas as much as him.

I'll submit right now he had a better chin than Frazier and hit just as hard.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 13 Dec 2009, 20:49

The Tuaman, imo, would have been the wrong type of power hitter for Frazier to have encountered. Both had similar styles, both had great chins, great conditioning, great power; but its Tua who seems to have the longer longevity over Smokin' Joe, he's still dangerous, while Joe was in the twilight of his career at the same age. I dont think Frazier could have knocked him out, and I don't see any other way for Joe to win other than by decision, because he did have an incredible work rate [not like Tua didn't either, Tua and Ibeauchi still hold the highest punch total in a HW fight].

I tend to think, at Tua's best, he may have been out pointed by Joe. However, Frazier never fought such a powerful hitter with the exception of Foreman----I shudder to think what would happen to Frazier if Tua's left landed, as well as what would happen if Frazier's left landed on Tua. I think it goes the distance---but if Tua was to win, he'd win by kayo inside eight rounds.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 20:53

Yeah

Tua's a real cupcake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlS82LC3fTo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLuV0vCW ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgUaCQZ ... re=related

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:31

Frazier would beat Tua just like he did Bonavena, another iron-chinned banger with a big left hook.

Tua's standing in mythical matchups b/c of his knockouts of C and B-class opponents is so over-fetched it's incredible. Tua never beat an A-class fighter in his career and never would.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 21:36

dempseyfire wrote:Frazier would beat Tua just like he did Bonavena, another iron-chinned banger with a big left hook.

Tua's standing in mythical matchups b/c of his knockouts of C and B-class opponents is so over-fetched it's incredible. Tua never beat an A-class fighter in his career and never would.

That's a little different than saying Joe would massacre him. He certainly didn't massacre Ringo

allworld80 · Post by **allworld80** » 13 Dec 2009, 22:45

Tua is certainly no push over, and in his prime he was a force to be reckoned with. But a puncher's chance is all I give him against one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time in my mind. Frazier KO9.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:01

tzyuforever wrote:Tua is certainly no push over, and in his prime he was a force to be reckoned with. But a puncher's chance is all I give him against one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time in my mind. Frazier KO9.

He's been fighting professionally for seventeen years. Nobody has stopped him yet.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:12

...&, as mentioned, he's not beaten a single A-list opponent yet. LOL.

allworld80 · Post by **allworld80** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:13

ThatOne wrote:
tzyuforever wrote:Tua is certainly no push over, and in his prime he was a force to be reckoned with. But a puncher's chance is all I give him against one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time in my mind. Frazier KO9.
He's been fighting professionally for seventeen years. Nobody has stopped him yet.

True, and I already mentioned, he's a tough cookie. But who on his resume has anything near the firepower that Smokin Joe would bring to the table? Lennox Lewis is the best he ever stepped in with, and that was a pure boxing lesson. I'm still calling for the stoppage in this one, even if it's the accumulation variety.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:31

Goodnight, Irene wrote:...&, as mentioned, he's not beaten a single A-list opponent yet. LOL.

He beat five heavyweight champions. He hasn't been stopped in seventeen years. In fact he's still fighting.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 13 Dec 2009, 23:37

tzyuforever wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
tzyuforever wrote:Tua is certainly no push over, and in his prime he was a force to be reckoned with. But a puncher's chance is all I give him against one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time in my mind. Frazier KO9.
He's been fighting professionally for seventeen years. Nobody has stopped him yet.
True, and I already mentioned, he's a tough cookie. But who on his resume has anything near the firepower that Smokin Joe would bring to the table? Lennox Lewis is the best he ever stepped in with, and that was a pure boxing lesson. I'm still calling for the stoppage in this one, even if it's the accumulation variety.

When someone says massacre I think Liston-Patterson, Cooney-Norton, Foreman-Frazier Foreman-Norton, Norton-Bobick, Holmes- Frazier, Tyson-Berbick, Tyson-Spinks, Tyson-Frazier , et cetera. Those are massacres.

I don't think Frazier is massacreing the iron chinned David Tua.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 14 Dec 2009, 00:31

1) Which five champions are those?

2) Since I was the one using the word, 'massacre,' maybe you should seek clarification on what I mean by it.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 14 Dec 2009, 00:37

sg1985 wrote:Has David Tua even won a world title?

Probably. They're so ubiquitous & trivialised by now, it wouldn't surprise me.

Maybe ThatOne knows?

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 14 Dec 2009, 00:41

I like Frazier by unanimous decision in a competitive fight. No closer than 9 rounds to 6, Tua has a good punchers chance, but I think that in their primes Frazier beats him 8 times out of 10.

allworld80 · Post by **allworld80** » 14 Dec 2009, 00:56

ThatOne wrote:He hasn't been stopped in seventeen years. In fact he's still fighting.

He has gaps of inactivity so long that you could fit the state of Alaska in them, and his opponents the last 6 or 7 years have been dodgy at best. Just to clarify.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 14 Dec 2009, 02:57

The definition of a, "puncher's chance," is the opportunity to KO someone with one shot.

No one's doing that to Frazier.

'Frilla · Post by **'Frilla** » 14 Dec 2009, 03:54

Tua for sure, tua shows a more stronger chin, he took alot from Lewis and imo shows more strengh and power than Frazier, Tua by Ko in early rounds(DONT HATE JUST MY OPINION)

hhaehre · Post by **hhaehre** » 14 Dec 2009, 05:50

Wide ud or late tko for Frazier. Tua looked great against club level opposition but whenever he faced a world class fighter he struggled to land that hook and showed himself to be a quite one-dimensional fighter. The exception was the Ruiz fight, in retrospect this was quite an impressive win as Ruiz turned out to be a very durable fighter. As for Tua beating 5 world champs you really need to add the context and when you do it's not so impressive now is it?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 14 Dec 2009, 05:56

dempseyfire wrote:Frazier would beat Tua just like he did Bonavena, another iron-chinned banger with a big left hook.

Tua's standing in mythical matchups b/c of his knockouts of C and B-class opponents is so over-fetched it's incredible. Tua never beat an A-class fighter in his career and never would.

My thoughts entirely.

I like watching Tua & certainly don't underestimate him, but he has to be one of the most overrated HWs for many years.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 14 Dec 2009, 06:23

mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
2. The slaughter of a large number of animals.
3. Informal A severe defeat, as in a sports event.

The five world champions he beat

John Ruiz (two-time heavyweight champion)
Hasim Rahman (two-time heavyweight champion)
Fres Oquendo (two-time heavyweight title challenger)
Oleg Maskaev (former WBC heavyweight champion)
Michael Moorer (three-time heavyweight champion)

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 14 Dec 2009, 06:34

ThatOne wrote:mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
2. The slaughter of a large number of animals.
3. Informal A severe defeat, as in a sports event.

The five world champions he beat

John Ruiz (two-time heavyweight champion)
Hasim Rahman (two-time heavyweight champion)
Fres Oquendo (two-time heavyweight title challenger)
Oleg Maskaev (former WBC heavyweight champion)
Michael Moorer (three-time heavyweight champion)

Michael Moorer is a 2 time HW champ.

Fres Oquendo shouldn't even be on the list.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 14 Dec 2009, 06:57

Syntax Error wrote:
ThatOne wrote:mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
1. The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
2. The slaughter of a large number of animals.
3. Informal A severe defeat, as in a sports event.

The five world champions he beat

John Ruiz (two-time heavyweight champion)
Hasim Rahman (two-time heavyweight champion)
Fres Oquendo (two-time heavyweight title challenger)
Oleg Maskaev (former WBC heavyweight champion)
Michael Moorer (three-time heavyweight champion)
Michael Moorer is a 2 time HW champ.

Fres Oquendo shouldn't even be on the list.

The larger point is I don't think Tua would win but I don't think he would be massacred. That dude had and has a great chin.

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