Top 10 Most "Gifted" Fighters of all time

[Goodnight, Irene]

Well, to be blunt, yes --- talent & skill are not the same thing. You obviously confused them for one another, or at least got them caught up as being part-way interchangeable at some point, which is a common error, though not usually amongst someone as genuinely knowledgeable as you seem to be (the whole Hearns-Chavez hardline stance you took not withstanding, & the fact you called Holmes more accomplished than Chavez).

Anyway, it's true I'm a pudendum at times, both here & in life --- hey, passion does that to people (as do certain other things), so I can't really begrudge any of the many who genuinely dislike me here --- just to say I hope the board has, for the most part, more, not fewer, Saad's. I'm sure you wouldn't say the same of me --- again, probably fair enough --- but where I disagree extremely vehemently, even offensively at times, I find myself agreeing with more of what you write than the opposite.

If there were members I wish we could see more of, & ones I wish we could see fewer of, I would not put the likes of you in with the Current Scene types, who truly do know very little of what they speak.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I have no issue with you or i would say so. Posts like that are tongue in cheek. I assumed that was obvious.

A skill set includes things that are most definitely talent. You can continue to say I'm confused as much as you want. It will never make you right.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Skill = Something you learn, a craft, that which is taught & educated. Something which can be honed & refined over time. Something which can also erode, if neglected.

Talent = An innate ability or capacity for something. God-given, written into your genetic code. Something which is in no way open to being altered, for better or worse, & which doesn't change.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

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So what does "Gifted" mean? DD

[SaadOffTheDeck]

LOL, Irene doesn't care. But it would appear that height is a talent. With his tremendously talented height and reach, I'll have to try and catch myself the next time I call Tyson Fury talentless.

[Ezzard]

So what's "raw talent"? A tall man with sore feet?

[Expug]

Tough question to answer. Thought provoking.
I mean, a guy could be gifted with height, speed, power,physical traits from day one.
However, if hes got no balls and no heart, those things are nullified.
Maybe heart and balls gotta be developed through experience. In and out of the ring.
And,are we born with a good chin?
If so, maybe George Chuvalo is the most gifted fighter in history.Great beard and he shows no signs of all those punches he took from some of the hardest punchers in history.In fact, George is very articulate.

[Goodnight, Irene]

LOL, Irene doesn't care. But it would appear that height is a talent. With his tremendously talented height and reach, I'll have to try and catch myself the next time I call Tyson Fury talentless.

Oh, Jesus

I didn't overstate your boxing knowledge, but I sure have over-estimated your comprehension skills. I said --- watch closely, now --- "Talent is something you are born with."

That is not the same as, "Everything you are born with is a talent."

I look forward to seeing how you can somehow jumble this one in your head.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You mean you don't appreciate nitpicking at a sentence? It appears to be brilliant when you do it. You said several things Irene, and most of them are wrong. You're a master of skipping over stuff that sullies your stance.

This whole preposterous talent/skill/height/comprehension exercise is due to you doing something to bounce around your stupid comments on Thomas Hearns.

I'll be honest with you, you have nothing on me in anything we cover on this board. Boxing, intelligence, the ability to nitpick and act like an asshole, the stubborness to carry on a pointless POS topic for pages on end, etc..

You should just drop it, you look more petty and less intelligent with every post.

[Collins2000]

Irene...... you look more petty and less intelligent with every post.

[Goodnight, Irene]

"...I'll be honest with you, you have nothing on me in anything we cover on this board..." - Saad

Not even Hearns? He's a weakspot for you beyond the pale, if your early offerings are anything to go by. Likewise, your ridiculous assaults on Chavez (calling him less accomplished than Larry Holmes is a howler. I'm still knee-slapping over that one )

Perhaps after you're done making the basic distinction between skill & talent, your self-aggrandising will carry more weight

[Goodnight, Irene]

I can at least say in defense of Saad, though, he has the maturity (not to mention sense not to make a fool of himself) not to call someone out over the net so he can, "meat them" (sic) in an effort to batter them for perceived anti-Ali comments.

Wouldn't that be embarrassing for someone to do that, Collins? Repeatedly?

[SFW]

Was there anyone in boxing that was ever more talented/gifted than Roy Jones jr.? I'm a lil bias so I'd say no, he was gifted with a combination of speed,power, and ring intelligence that made him more dangerous than anyone I could name. Who would be considered more gifted than Roy? I'm not sure what everyone considers gifted, but prime RJJ might have been the best pure athlete of the 90's and i think p4p at any weight he would smoke any of the names mentioned. I'm sure some disagree so i'd like to hear why not.

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Was there anyone in boxing that was ever more talented/gifted than Roy Jones jr.? I'm a lil bias so I'd say no, he was gifted with a combination of speed,power, and ring intelligence that made him more dangerous than anyone I could name. Who would be considered more gifted than Roy? I'm not sure what everyone considers gifted, but prime RJJ might have been the best pure athlete of the 90's and i think p4p at any weight he would smoke any of the names mentioned. I'm sure some disagree so i'd like to hear why not.

It's difficult to argue against anything you've said.

RJJ did indeed possess a combination of athleticism, speed & power I have never seen in any other fighter.

It would have taken the very best fighters in history to have beaten him in his pomp IMHO

[Ezzard]

It's hard to compare across eras because things have changed. The film we watch them on, the supplements they take etc...

I like Hearns but would throw Shane Moseley in there.

With film of their early years hard to get some people get left off but reading up...

Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Willie Pep
Jimmy Wilde

[Panzerfaust]

Cant believe noone has mentioned Kid Chocolate.

Physical gifts like punch power etc is counted , then Earnie Shavers had a gift

[Goodnight, Irene]

Cant believe noone has mentioned Kid Chocolate.

Physical gifts like punch power etc is counted , then Earnie Shavers had a gift

His one & only.