British Top 30 P4P March 2010

[Horse]

good list but id drop hatton to 4th

at this stage Khan & Froch would beat him P4P

If Khan beats Malignaggi then he has a good chance of moving above Hatton. As does Froch if he beats either Kessler or Abraham.

[DG.]

Better list!

But...Froch Number 2 - Hatton numnber 4 and Witter number 5

DG is going to bed!

JUST SAW 'CAT ON A HOT TIN ROOF'

Ivor Novello Theatre, Google it!

Darth Vadar and The Huxtable woman amongnst others!

[Horse]

Agreed. And also agreed on removing Woods and Dunne as they have retired.

I will think about removing Woods for next month's list, but I will keep Dunne in for a few months as he has only just retired.

[Horse]

10. (8.) Junior Witter

Based on what, exactly?

He was a World champion less than two years ago and he has only ever lost in World title fights.

[BigEars]

Agreed. And also agreed on removing Woods and Dunne as they have retired.

I will think about removing Woods for next month's list, but I will keep Dunne in for a few months as he has only just retired.

Even if Dunne was to change his mind, he's unlikely to do so anytime in the next 6 months.
Therefore if he was to turn around and decide to box again he'd be out of your rankings already anyway.
So in reality you may aswell just cross him off next time you do your list as he's just filling space for no reason.

Same stands for most boxers, those that do unretire generally won't do so until 6 months+ have surpassed, so why not re rank them if they do so, rather than maintaining a rank they shouldn't have.

[Poncey]

Could I apply for an Irish passport given that I have Irish ancestry? Or even a Spanish one because I have Spanish ancestry too?

Nationality confuses me :geek2:

Try mine. I'd have more passports that a Mossad agent in Dubai.

[Horse]

As you say he is Retired, so why not take him out, if he does have sudden change of heart as you say then keep track of where you would of had him, i think that makes more sense... You kow everyone will say each month is this your way of getting a bit of stress out and an argument

I don't leave fighters in for months after their retirement just to get into arguments. If a fighter starts a boxing season as an active fighter, then I don't see a problem in leaving them in for a few months until the start of the new boxing season in September, other people see it differently.

[Horse]

Shouldnt a boxer leave the rankings if he announces his retirement?????

Many people feel a boxer should be removed immediately after retirement, but some prefer to leave a boxer in for a while afterwards.

[BigEars]

As you say he is Retired, so why not take him out, if he does have sudden change of heart as you say then keep track of where you would of had him, i think that makes more sense... You kow everyone will say each month is this your way of getting a bit of stress out and an argument

I don't leave fighters in for months after their retirement just to get into arguments. If a fighter starts a boxing season as an active fighter, then I don't see a problem in leaving them in for a few months until the start of the new boxing season in September, other people see it differently.

A few months ?, Scott Harrison was there about 2 1/2 years after his last fight ?
The problem with leaving them in is it makes your ranking appear out of date, or at the very least sort of irrelevant(no offense), because in your mind you look at the rankings and then have to discount fighters on the list who have retired and restructure it to the way it should be(without the retired fighters), it just clutters up the rankings aimlessly.

Of course it's your list so you could name all retired fighters and no active fighters on it if you wanted to and still describe it as 'British Top 30 P4P March 2010'.

[Horse]

Put the fighters from the North down as Irish/British. Macklin (as Asterix suggests) also down as Irish/British.

I think that would look a bit messy.

[DG.]

A few months ?, Scott Harrison was there about 2 1/2 years after his last fight ?

Yes he was!

[Horse]

Better list!

But...Froch Number 2 - Hatton numnber 4 and Witter number 5

Witter hasn't won a fight in over a year and has lost against his last two World class opponents. So, I think that position No.5 on the list is too high for him at the moment.

Although, if Alexander wins his unification fight tomorrow then Witter will have only ever lost to fighters who have gone on to become a unified champion (Judah, Bradley and Alexander), which would suggest that losing to those fighters shouldn't be held against him too much.

When Witter fights again I will reconsider his position.

[Horse]

Even if Dunne was to change his mind, he's unlikely to do so anytime in the next 6 months.
Therefore if he was to turn around and decide to box again he'd be out of your rankings already anyway.
So in reality you may aswell just cross him off next time you do your list as he's just filling space for no reason.

Same stands for most boxers, those that do unretire generally won't do so until 6 months+ have surpassed, so why not re rank them if they do so, rather than maintaining a rank they shouldn't have.

I still count them as active fighters if they have fought within the last year, so I see no need to rush them out of the list, even if they have announced their retirement.

I don't leave a retired fighter on the list longer than 12 months after their last fight, so I don't see the big fuss about it.

[m1kee50]

Horse is only doing the same as Boxrec does... allows a year of inactivity... however AFAIK Boxrec moves a fighter to 'All-Time' ratings if they announce retirement dont they?

[Asterix]

Horse is only doing the same as Boxrec does... allows a year of inactivity... however AFAIK Boxrec moves a fighter to 'All-Time' ratings if they announce retirement dont they?

Yeah, if boxer announces their retirement then boxrec bypasses the years inactivity and just marks them down as retired.

As you can see with Clinton Woods, he is no longer rated as an active boxer: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I think Horse should use the same method.

[Horse]

A few months ?, Scott Harrison was there about 2 1/2 years after his last fight ?

Scott Harrison never retired though.

The problem with leaving them in is it makes your ranking appear out of date, or at the very least sort of irrelevant(no offense), because in your mind you look at the rankings and then have to discount fighters on the list who have retired and restructure it to the way it should be(without the retired fighters), it just clutters up the rankings aimlessly.

Of course it's your list so you could name all retired fighters and no active fighters on it if you wanted to and still describe it as 'British Top 30 P4P March 2010'.

Last month there was only one retired boxer, this month there are two, it is hardly cluttered with them.

Currently none of the boxers in the top 30 have been inactive for over a year.

[sweetscience]

A few months ?, Scott Harrison was there about 2 1/2 years after his last fight ?

Yes he was!

horse used to let his scottish bais get the better of him

[Horse]

Horse is only doing the same as Boxrec does... allows a year of inactivity... however AFAIK Boxrec moves a fighter to 'All-Time' ratings if they announce retirement dont they?

I allow up to a year of inactivity for retired fighters, but a fighter that has not retired can stay on the list indefinitely.

[Horse]

Yeah, if boxer announces their retirement then boxrec bypasses the years inactivity and just marks them down as retired.

As you can see with Clinton Woods, he is no longer rated as an active boxer: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I think Horse should use the same method.

I prefer my method.

[Asterix]

Yeah, if boxer announces their retirement then boxrec bypasses the years inactivity and just marks them down as retired.

As you can see with Clinton Woods, he is no longer rated as an active boxer: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

I think Horse should use the same method.

I prefer my method.

Of course you do. You like people to get annoyed with you. We've seen that time and time again.

[Horse]

horse used to let his scottish bais get the better of him

What Scottish bias?

[Horse]

Of course you do. You like people to get annoyed with you. We've seen that time and time again.

[sweetscience]

horse used to let his scottish bais get the better of him

What Scottish bias?

the way you kept harrison on list for years led me too believe you were scottish

are you ? if not apologies

[Horse]

the way you kept harrison on list for years led me too believe you were scottish

are you ? if not apologies

I also left McCullough in for years, it is just my policy.

I think I punish inactivity a lot more now, so I don't think there will be many more Harrison/McCullough incidents again.