oh ye of little faith

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Mar 2005, 20:42

i precited (on maxboxing) that clinton would win. Hoye was overrated and clinton had all the experience, i didn;t think he would stop him, but he made Hoye look very ordinary tonight and showed all the benefits of his previous fights.

Nice one clinton.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 04 Mar 2005, 20:43

i had a bet on woods winning by 10th round ko at 40/1, ah well only a fiver ay

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 05 Mar 2005, 13:45

Yep. I said a while back that I thought Clinton could win this, and I've been amazed at how many people have written him off. losing 2 close fights against the best light-heavy in the world does not make you a crap fighter.

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 05 Mar 2005, 13:49

Did anybody in their right mind actually think Clinton Woods would lose this? If I'd known that Hoye was that odds on, I'd have bet the farm.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 05 Mar 2005, 14:39

Yes all very wise after the event aren't we gentleman??

Lol only joking, i admit i was wrong i felt Hoye would be more hungry after Woods lapse showings against Johnson and Hoye could bang and loved to come forward and throw plenty of shots, Woods was awesome with his tactics and showed much greater experience...well done Clinton at the fourth attempt

Even his missus got the chance to have her say on TV

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 05 Mar 2005, 14:53

I'll be honest I had some change on a late Hoye stoppage, seems I seriously overestimated Hoye though and underestimated how much Woods had in the tank. Just had a gut feeling the Johnson fights might have took a lot out of Woods and Hoye was hungry and dangerous enough to put some hurt on Clinton. Glad I was wrong really, wasn't impressed with Calzaghe's gatecrash but Woods/Calzaghe would be a cracking fight.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Mar 2005, 15:33

Phoenix wrote:and underestimated how much Woods had in the tank.

That was my fault with this one. I thought Woods of 2000 would beat Tarver (at any stage) but I thought with the inactivity and age, that version of Woods would never be with us. I was wrong.

If Woods can keep this up, he can beat Tarver.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 05 Mar 2005, 15:47

I disagree, Tarver aint no Rico Hoye, he's smarter and with better skills...i dont see Woods beating him i am afraid even if he puts in a performance similar to the one last night, if he does it will be close but i still see Tarver prevailing.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Mar 2005, 16:05

I never forget the battering Eric Harding was given Tarver before getting caught in the rematch. Tarver is very easy to hit. Plus his workrate is poor.

theguru · Post by **theguru** » 05 Mar 2005, 16:38

did you go to the show James? what was the rest of the bill like?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Mar 2005, 20:20

Nah, Rotherham's well out of my catchment area mate, would have loved to have gone, had it been in Leeds or sheffield would have probably gone.

i think that Tarver is an intrinsically lazy fighter, he cannot work hard for 3 minutes of every round, and for all his natural talent that is why he will never amount to that much. He was unlucky to get diddled against Jones in the 1st fight as he earned at least a draw on my card, but he didn't give it maximum effort when he had the chance.

Johnson showed no such hesitancy, he was all over Jones like a paedophile at a nursery and stayed on his ass from round 1 until he knocked him out. Tarver would probably have cruised to another points loss against Jones had he not found that ko punch, but tellingly never came close to finding it against Johnson.

I reckon Johnson will up his workrate in their 2nd meeting and outhustle Tarver more convincingly this time, because I don't see him getting KO'd.

The Woods I saw the other night would have a good shot against Tarver, he threw double the amount of shots Tarver threw in the 1st 5 rounds of any of his fights.

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 06 Mar 2005, 07:30

i went - the Magna is a really weird place to watch boxing - it is a old industrial building converted into a science museum. Felt a bit like a scene from the Crystal Maze

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 07 Mar 2005, 11:29

this fight reminds me of Dennis Andries v Tony Willis. Both were Americans, undefeated , Willis was 15-0 13 kos, Hoye 18-0 15 kos.

Both were expected to be to young and punch to hard for the older guy to handle. Both went out to the brits in the 5th round.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Mar 2005, 12:00

Loynesy wrote:i went - the Magna is a really weird place to watch boxing - it is a old industrial building converted into a science museum. Felt a bit like a scene from the Crystal Maze

How many people do you reckon were in the Arena?

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 07 Mar 2005, 12:21

James - it was a sellout with approximately 3000 there. Good atmosphere

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Mar 2005, 12:24

Sounds like a decent venue, 3000 is enough for a good atmosphere in a medium sized venue.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 07 Mar 2005, 12:24

Loynsey, where the English flags disributed at the door. Was it a BBC thing or a Fight Academy thing. It looked good anyway, it did bring home some memories of the glory days of BBC boxing.

I have to say for atmosphere, the best 4 events I have seen on the tele for a number of years have been the four live BBC broadcasts (Walker vs Karmazin, and the 3 Woods world title fights).

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 07 Mar 2005, 12:39

stujones wrote:Loynsey, where the English flags disributed at the door. Was it a BBC thing or a Fight Academy thing. It looked good anyway, it did bring home some memories of the glory days of BBC boxing.

I have to say for atmosphere, the best 4 events I have seen on the tele for a number of years have been the four live BBC broadcasts (Walker vs Karmazin, and the 3 Woods world title fights).

Stu - not sure where the flags came from - I certainly wasn't given one!! Was a well promoted show - only down side was the late start of the Woods fight, but as everyone knew beforehand that the BBC were showing it live, you knew what you were getting in to. I was at the Walker fight (another v late start), great atmosphere for the first round but then the crowd knew they were going to see their man get beat at it subsided.

Best atmosphere for a fight I have attended was Barrera v Morlaes III, in the UK probably when Jonny Tapia fought at the York Hall a couple of years ago