tonysaprano wrote:He knows about losing weight cause his background is bodybuilders is it not?? He aint a conditioner, he wouldnt know the best way to get fit for a fight, no chance, maybe losing weight but thats it. Any bodybuilder in the land could tell you how to lose weight, it doesnt mean they could draw you up a good conditioning schedule to follow. The guys over-rated in my opinion, if you take kudos for the successes in boxing, you have to take the stick for the fuckups, or dont do either, simple.
The guy is a strength & conditioner!! He won't be working with boxing for much longer cos he's just fed up of it which is so very sad for the people who have never worked with him!!! Like I've said time and time again Ricky Hatton wouldn't have achieved the dizzy heights he did without Kerry Kayes and that is coming from the long time trainer Billy Graham!! The guy not only knows how to loose weight he also knows how to build muscle in the right places and the right times so it helps in your boxing work!! The guy is a genius and to be totally honest some of the comments directed at him are complete BS!! British cycling team, British Judo team and British boxing team all use him and his products!! They surely can't all be wrong can they??? ???
Nah, what he knows about athletic conditioning?, fine he knows how to lose weight, put on muscle etc, but does he know proper energy system conditioning, explosive power development etc, I would wager not
tonysaprano wrote:He knows about losing weight cause his background is bodybuilders is it not?? He aint a conditioner, he wouldnt know the best way to get fit for a fight, no chance, maybe losing weight but thats it. Any bodybuilder in the land could tell you how to lose weight, it doesnt mean they could draw you up a good conditioning schedule to follow. The guys over-rated in my opinion, if you take kudos for the successes in boxing, you have to take the stick for the fuckups, or dont do either, simple.
And you'd know this by working with him?
Ask Jamie Moore, Ricky Hatton, Matt Macklin, Matt Hatton, Michael Gomez.... Any fighter that's worked with him if they felt in better condition through using him, 9/10 will strongly agree.
As you say, anyone can lose weight. But.... Being strong at that weight is the key. Kerry masters that.
Boxer can and do get a lift from working with him, but as most boxers and their trainers know absolutley nothing about conditioning,or diets, let just say it wouldnt be hard. Hell, a lot of boxers still think the best way to lose weight is by doing aerobic exercise for fucks sake, that shit went out with Nelsons eye.
tonysaprano wrote:He knows about losing weight cause his background is bodybuilders is it not?? He aint a conditioner, he wouldnt know the best way to get fit for a fight, no chance, maybe losing weight but thats it. Any bodybuilder in the land could tell you how to lose weight, it doesnt mean they could draw you up a good conditioning schedule to follow. The guys over-rated in my opinion, if you take kudos for the successes in boxing, you have to take the stick for the fuckups, or dont do either, simple.
Why wouldn't he know about conditioning for maximal performance? Is it only special boxing magical trainers who know about that? Actually knowing and understanding the mechanics of the body make him more qualified for conditioning then 99% of the shitty trainers out there.
Let me tell you, many boxing trainers are actually retarded in this regard and just copy the person before them. Who copied the person before them- and so on.... Problem been much time and effort is wasted in progressing the training ineffectively, and many outdated and counter productive exercises and idea's are used.
Cause my friend, it takes a lot more than lifting weights like a bodybuilder to develop, speed, and explosive power, coupled with anaerobic/aerobic conditioning, when a fighter who does nothing starts a weights programme he will probably get some benefits, it doesnt mean it the best thing to do for his sport. What qualification does he have then, do you know, or are just blowiing smoke up his arse? I do agree that many boxing trainers are totally useless in conditioning their guys, hence why they ask bodybuilding experts. Although I laugh when guys who have been 6 or7 times Mr Univecre etc start selling vitamins and supplements, as if thats what helped them Its not the endless jags up the arse with illegal drugs by any chance is it, allegedly of course
Respect to Kerry Kayes he knows his stuff thats the reason he has been so successful in his business life.
LEE BEARD ,the question is who the F+?K is he?
He is the WIZARD OF OZ of boxing ,all smoke and mirrors.
The reason he is behind so many prospects is that fact if u blow smoke up someones arse for long enough they start to believe their own hype.
Lee Beard will ruin a few prospects careers before the day is done.
Yes but to be fair, the most vigorous activity you take part in is wanking yoursell off to redtube [/quot
Along with you since you have retired then
& baz carey
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, the Sorbonne speech, 1910.
hurlock wrote:
look at at all the top yanks :!: they are all cheats :!: fact :!: infact the only fighters of this era who have been true are dlh & trinidad.
even barcelona are guilty of messi being given hgh.
it's rife in sport :!: maybe not british boxing.
look it may work 4 you swallowing tablets & drinking shakes because while your doing this your diet is not poor i.e it's usual self as your body states, as you do look a bit blubbery.
kerry has come to the fore front since hatton,the guy's an expert of cutting weight as all bodybuilders are :!: & he's tried to blend that in with performance as bb's only do it for look etc.
ive read hattons book & he'd train with kerry straight after a billy.g session basically SPENT.
the guy's a gent & knows about the body but aint no miracle worker.
You are talking out of your arse.
"Swallowing tablets and drinking shakes" - The tablets are vitamins. To get the required amount of vitamins, minerals and nutrients from the tablets I'd have to eat far too much fruit, vegetables and general food that the calorific value would be too much to maintain weight.
The shakes are exactly the same. To get convenient and balanced meals you have a meal replacement drink. To get convenient protein you can have protein drinks. Pure protein minus the fat and other unnecessary calories.
Regarding Hatton's sessions after training with Billy, I did the same sessions. So did Gomez for the Arthur fight, Hatton for Tszyu, Macklin, Matt Hatton.... No one complained and every one of us benefited.
You don't like Kerry's methods because you believe he is only good for bodybuilders, I say you need to get with the times. The world is evolving, methods and training is too.
PS. My "blubbery" body is doing just fine for me....
For all the advancements that have been made. People are still getting weaker by the day. Sitting down for hours and hours each day ruins your glutes and hamstrings and weakens your core.
Also, no matter how much time boxers spend with Kerry et al, they would still get spanked by Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong etc. People were hardier back then and the gyms had more people in them. A larger pool of fighters equals a better calibre of champion. Hard physical labour makes for a hard physical society and even harder athletes/fighters.
I agree that competition will increase quality of performance as will activity levels. But if your post were correct, world records would never be broken.
tonysaprano wrote:
Yes but to be fair, the most vigorous activity you take part in is wanking yoursell off to redtube [/quot
Along with you since you have retired then
& baz carey
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, the Sorbonne speech, 1910.
Stick to wanking
Fuckin hell., using another mans words to make your point, oh how ingenious of you Bit like getting your sister to stick up for you, now you go back to your wankpitt Jeff, D
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, the Sorbonne speech, 1910.
Stick to wanking
Fuckin hell., using another mans words to make your point, oh how ingenious of you Bit like getting your sister to stick up for you, now you go back to your wankpitt Jeff, D
Ha ha , just seen this belter.... I'll mention this to my tutor at Uni.- no need for referencing... its like getting my sister to stick up for me. Any other 'ingenious' pearls of wisdom you'd like to share?
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SexySouthPaw wrote:Respect to Kerry Kayes he knows his stuff thats the reason he has been so successful in his business life.
LEE BEARD ,the question is who the F+?K is he?
He is the WIZARD OF OZ of boxing ,all smoke and mirrors.
The reason he is behind so many prospects is that fact if u blow smoke up someones arse for long enough they start to believe their own hype.
Lee Beard will ruin a few prospects careers before the day is done.
This sounds a bit harsh.Is this from personal experience? He seems like a decent bloke and everyone has to start out somewhere, and if he has the confidence of Hatton and Guzman, he must be doing something right.
hurlock wrote:what do you expect he's talentless :!:
think baz carey sited that poem.
I'm about as talented as you are retarded. You think thats a poem, you dumb eff Can see you's two are a pair of smart cookies.
ha ha done i meant saying or proverb, but your sister probably pointed that out. as for redtube training....you've fell victim to it a good few times D
hurlock wrote:what do you expect he's talentless :!:
think baz carey sited that poem.
I'm about as talented as you are retarded. You think thats a poem, you dumb eff Can see you's two are a pair of smart cookies.
ha ha done i meant saying or proverb, but your sister probably pointed that out. as for redtube training....you've fell victim to it a good few times D
Good one.
Aren't you the chap who chickened out of a scrap with spud, let alone Baz Carey..
You were comparing your own nutritional requirements to that of a professional boxer, the comment was tongue in cheek, your reply warranted been called a wanker. Wanker. ;;-)
What are your boxing achievements? Who are you to judge me? Or I to judge you? Do you know I am talentless, have you shared a ring with me, have you ever seen me fight? Regardless I could be the least talented fighter ever to lace up a pair of gloves but where i'm from we respect anybody brave enough to chance their arm- thus the 'poem'.
I've read a few of your posts and generally you could do with been a bit more respectful to the boxers who use the forum. Win or lose they've still done more then you - right?
Jeff Thomas wrote:
"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt, the Sorbonne speech, 1910.
Stick to wanking
Fuckin hell., using another mans words to make your point, oh how ingenious of you Bit like getting your sister to stick up for you, now you go back to your wankpitt Jeff, D
Ha ha , just seen this belter.... I'll mention this to my tutor at Uni.- no need for referencing... its like getting my sister to stick up for me. Any other 'ingenious' pearls of wisdom you'd like to share?
Yeah right mate, what uni do you go to? cause I have 2 degrees and never cited a reference like that! Unless they do it differently in england right enough, so I may take that back?!
Yeah right mate, what uni do you go to? cause I have 2 degrees and never cited a reference like that! Unless they do it differently in england right enough, so I may take that back?!
Yeah right mate, what uni do you go to? cause I have 2 degrees and never cited a reference like that! Unless they do it differently in england right enough, so I may take that back?!
What 'degree's' did you do?
Well it wasnt english lit as you can tell First one, psychology, aye dont laugh, I dont know why either, fuckin bored the tits off me but had to finish it, got a 2/2, then went back a few years later and done a joint Physiology/sports science,got a 2/1, although I couldnt take any modules over so had to start again from scratch, pisser. Looking back on it I wish I just got a job in a gym and learned on the job from someone really good, , cause 70% of stuff you get there aint relevant when you get out. What you doing anyways??
Yeah right mate, what uni do you go to? cause I have 2 degrees and never cited a reference like that! Unless they do it differently in england right enough, so I may take that back?!
What 'degree's' did you do?
Well it wasnt english lit as you can tell First one, psychology, aye dont laugh, I dont know why either, fuckin bored the tits off me but had to finish it, got a 2/2, then went back a few years later and done a joint Physiology/sports science,got a 2/1, although I couldnt take any modules over so had to start again from scratch, pisser. Looking back on it I wish I just got a job in a gym and learned on the job from someone really good, , cause 70% of stuff you get there aint relevant when you get out. What you doing anyways??
I'm doing management and I have recently qualified as a personal trainer. I'm hoping to perhaps undetake a strength and condtioning to degree next year to run along side the final year of my management degree but I have to balance that with family, and running my own business.
You never referenced during your degree's? It was hardly a citation but using a piece of writing or theory to back up your own idea's is the foundation of every piece of work I do. Even in finance. Thats how it works here pal, all suggestions need to be backed up with relevant reading and/or opinions from proffessionals that support the writers findings. I struggle to see how you could write a piece on psychology without citing aprevious piece of work or evidence?
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Its not the endless jags up the arse with illegal drugs by any chance is it, allegedly of course 
Bit like getting your sister to stick up for you, now you go back to your wankpitt Jeff, 
D
i meant saying or proverb, but your sister probably pointed that out. as for redtube training....you've fell victim to it a good few times 
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