Light Heavyweight Statistics:

[armageto]

This list is balls, like most of this season.

I'm afraid that I strongly disagree... The list is accurate.
This season has been an exciting season with some great fights and twists and turns all over the place.

Charles has fought just about everyone and never backed down from a challenge.

Agreed, Charles has fought a good standard of opposition and he has always been ranked highly...
Hence, the reason for him being included in the roll of honour.

Stop looking at belts and instead people's overall body of work.

You can only approximate the greatness of a boxer by measuring his success...
The only way of doing this is looking at his achievements....
The fact is Charles has never been Undisputed Champion, and that seems to be the standard to break into the top 5 or 6 of the list.

Charles has had his opportunites to improve his credentials...
As it stands: Charles won the WBO title, had a single defence and lost it.

Charles has also been given three (failed) shots for world titles...
Week 9: lost a WBO title shot to Dillon.
Week 13: lost WBC/WBA title shot to Fox.
Week 37: lost Undisputed title shot to Spinks.

Frankly, you can have no complains...
You have been given more shots than most others...

Your record speaks for itself:

Fox- 0-1 against him, would say he is higher than Charles
Spinks- 1-3 against him, would say he's higher than Charles
Calzaghe- 0-1, lost a close fight, would rate Joe higher

You yourself have highlighted these fights...
You have lost repeatedly to the top opposition...
Charles just doesn't deserve a place in the top 10.

I am sorry to be blunt but it is the best way.

[/quote]


You're a homo that deserves to burn in hell with your mother. Sorry to argue those facts. I hope you die soon, in some horrible fashion.........

[SAV]

or...you can do as you damn well please....lol.

crazy talk!

[Crease]

You're a homo that deserves to burn in hell with your mother. Sorry to argue those facts. I hope you die soon, in some horrible fashion.........

Your ma is a hooker.

[armageto]

You're a homo that deserves to burn in hell with your mother. Sorry to argue those facts. I hope you die soon, in some horrible fashion.........

Your ma is a hooker.

[Grimm]

This list is balls, like most of this season. Charles has fought just about everyone and never backed down from a challenge. Loughran the most avoided fighter....I think not.......

Fox- 0-1 against him, would say he is higher than Charles
Spinks- 1-3 against him, would say he's higher than Charles
Foster- 1-1-1 against him. Didn't want to sign rematch after last close fight. I'd rate Charles higher
Rosenbloom- 0-0-1, give me a break. Fought bums, Charles is higher
Calzaghe- 0-1, lost a close fight, would rate Joe higher
Moore- Never fought him. Rate Moore a little higher
Dillon- 3-1 against him, would rate Charles higher
Hill- 1-0 against him, Charles is rated higher
Jones Jr.- Never fought him and called him out a few times. Rated the same, at worst
Gibbons- 1-0 against him, rated the same at worst.
Loughran 0-1 against him.
Stop looking at belts and instead people's overall body of work.

Kevo, Sav, JBacca and a few others have been honorable managers this year. Unfortunately there have been more shyt bags than usual.

Just in case you forgot.

[armageto]

This list is balls, like most of this season. Charles has fought just about everyone and never backed down from a challenge. Loughran the most avoided fighter....I think not.......

Fox- 0-1 against him, would say he is higher than Charles
Spinks- 1-3 against him, would say he's higher than Charles
Foster- 1-1-1 against him. Didn't want to sign rematch after last close fight. I'd rate Charles higher
Rosenbloom- 0-0-1, give me a break. Fought bums, Charles is higher
Calzaghe- 0-1, lost a close fight, would rate Joe higher
Moore- Never fought him. Rate Moore a little higher
Dillon- 3-1 against him, would rate Charles higher
Hill- 1-0 against him, Charles is rated higher
Jones Jr.- Never fought him and called him out a few times. Rated the same, at worst
Gibbons- 1-0 against him, rated the same at worst.
Loughran 0-1 against him.
Stop looking at belts and instead people's overall body of work.

Kevo, Sav, JBacca and a few others have been honorable managers this year. Unfortunately there have been more shyt bags than usual.

Just in case you forgot.

Lost a close fight by decision (Which I easily could have won), then tried to get a rematch a couple of times afterward. I never got the rematch, but Loughran is the most avoided person in the sim?





In case you forgot..........

[Grimm]

This list is balls, like most of this season. Charles has fought just about everyone and never backed down from a challenge. Loughran the most avoided fighter....I think not.......

Fox- 0-1 against him, would say he is higher than Charles
Spinks- 1-3 against him, would say he's higher than Charles
Foster- 1-1-1 against him. Didn't want to sign rematch after last close fight. I'd rate Charles higher
Rosenbloom- 0-0-1, give me a break. Fought bums, Charles is higher
Calzaghe- 0-1, lost a close fight, would rate Joe higher
Moore- Never fought him. Rate Moore a little higher
Dillon- 3-1 against him, would rate Charles higher
Hill- 1-0 against him, Charles is rated higher
Jones Jr.- Never fought him and called him out a few times. Rated the same, at worst
Gibbons- 1-0 against him, rated the same at worst.
Loughran 0-1 against him.
Stop looking at belts and instead people's overall body of work.

Kevo, Sav, JBacca and a few others have been honorable managers this year. Unfortunately there have been more shyt bags than usual.

Just in case you forgot.

Lost a close fight by decision (Which I easily could have won), then tried to get a rematch a couple of times afterward. I never got the rematch, but Loughran is the most avoided person in the sim?





In case you forgot..........

You rejected a Bivens Loughran fight over five times.

Why would I give you a rematch when you were ducking my fighter?

Proves how avoided Loughran is again.

[BoxBuzz]

If Maxie is not the #1 Challenger next week, We will face Loughran. We agree that he has been avoided like the plague.

[Grimm]

If Maxie is not the #1 Challenger next week, We will face Loughran. We agree that he has been avoided like the plague.

[Deno1986]

Is TF staying on as commish or do we have a new one?

[Crease]

Is TF staying on as commish or do we have a new one?

I believe he is willing to continue as the Commish...

However, he has expressed interest at being involved in next season as a Manager...
Personally, I believe he could do both.

[armageto]

Just in case you forgot.

Lost a close fight by decision (Which I easily could have won), then tried to get a rematch a couple of times afterward. I never got the rematch, but Loughran is the most avoided person in the sim?





In case you forgot..........

You rejected a Bivens Loughran fight over five times.

Why would I give you a rematch when you were ducking my fighter?

Proves how avoided Loughran is again.

B.S., I never duck a fight. I don't remember you ever sending me a pm asking for that fight, or making a post directed just to me about making that fight. Perhaps you made a post once with Bivens name in it and 5 other fighters, and now we are ducking you? Everyone knows I don't duck anyone. You're full of shyt and you are a fraud.



Have a good day........

[BoxBuzz]

geto does not duck. He does however watch the odds closely and carefully calculates his options. If his software were properly tuned, he would have led the field. I'm pretty sure the TJF software and the Charles software were somehow swapped.

[armageto]

I'm pretty sure the TJF software and the Charles software were somehow swapped.

[armageto]

This list is balls, like most of this season.

I'm afraid that I strongly disagree... The list is accurate.
This season has been an exciting season with some great fights and twists and turns all over the place.

Charles has fought just about everyone and never backed down from a challenge.

Agreed, Charles has fought a good standard of opposition and he has always been ranked highly...
Hence, the reason for him being included in the roll of honour.

Stop looking at belts and instead people's overall body of work.

You can only approximate the greatness of a boxer by measuring his success...
The only way of doing this is looking at his achievements....
The fact is Charles has never been Undisputed Champion, and that seems to be the standard to break into the top 5 or 6 of the list.

Charles has had his opportunites to improve his credentials...
As it stands: Charles won the WBO title, had a single defence and lost it.

Charles has also been given three (failed) shots for world titles...
Week 9: lost a WBO title shot to Dillon.
Week 13: lost WBC/WBA title shot to Fox.
Week 37: lost Undisputed title shot to Spinks.

Frankly, you can have no complains...
You have been given more shots than most others...




Your record speaks for itself:

Fox- 0-1 against him, would say he is higher than Charles
Spinks- 1-3 against him, would say he's higher than Charles
Calzaghe- 0-1, lost a close fight, would rate Joe higher

You yourself have highlighted these fights...
You have lost repeatedly to the top opposition...
Charles just doesn't deserve a place in the top 10.

I am sorry to be blunt but it is the best way.

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To go over a few things from your last:

As for as title shots go:

Charles lost to Delaney in week 9, not Dillon Charles lost to Spinks in week 37 while in a dead even fight (Leading on one card) due to a cut. Delaney was an eliminator fight and Fox was a mando fight for him. The only title shots Charles got (Besides Spinks in week 37) were fights that were mandated. Charles was never offered a title shot as a challenger (Even though being in the top 10 virtually all season). Thus, the more chances you get at a title shot, the more titles you will win. Charles easily could have avoided Fox and went after Virgil Hill. Charles easily could have avoided Spinks in the unification fight and tried to bottom pick the top 10, like some champs have done. He always tried to fight the best.

I rated Fox, Spinks, and Calzaghe higher than Charles. Don't see what you point is in pointing that out already. However, besides Fox, Calzaghe won a close decision, dropping Charles in the last round for the win. Not like Charles was blown out of the water. Spinks does have three wins, but none of them were blow outs. One fight was a close decision, I think Majority. One fight was a late KO, while Charles was up on the cards. One fight was stopped late on the cards due to a cut, with the fight even on two cards and Charles up on the third card. Anyhow, I don't have a problem being ranked below these guys.

Hill above Charles? Give me a break. Charles easily beat Hill, has a better overall record. So he's above Charles for being a one time WBU champ?

Dillon I don't agree with. Granted, one time undisputed champ. However Charles is 3-1 against him and BEAT him to win the WBO belt.

Jones Jr? We're both 1 time WBO champ. Never fought each other, but how could you say that he is easily better than Charles? By being a "constant title challenger"?

Gibbons? Charles beat him in his WBO defense. How could you say Gibbons is easily better? By being a WBA champ?

Rosenbloom? Look at the body of work. Look at how he didn't want to give Charles a rematch off the draw, that appeared to be a Charles win?


Again, you are just going by belts and not the whole body of work. Some of these guys got tons of title shots just because they were the bottom of the top 10. Sure, you will pull an upset or two. If you win an undisputed title by beating one man, but never get a winning defense from it, was it REALLY that impressive?!?!


I'll make my top 10 at the end of the season........

[Grimm]

Lost a close fight by decision (Which I easily could have won), then tried to get a rematch a couple of times afterward. I never got the rematch, but Loughran is the most avoided person in the sim?





In case you forgot..........

You rejected a Bivens Loughran fight over five times.

Why would I give you a rematch when you were ducking my fighter?

Proves how avoided Loughran is again.

B.S., I never duck a fight. I don't remember you ever sending me a pm asking for that fight, or making a post directed just to me about making that fight. Perhaps you made a post once with Bivens name in it and 5 other fighters, and now we are ducking you? Everyone knows I don't duck anyone. You're full of shyt and you are a fraud.



Have a good day........

Week 10,17,21 and 30

Loughran calls out Bivens

Qawi calls out Moore

Qawi is fighting James Mcgirt jr.

If Bivens ducks Loughran is fighting Eric Crumble both at the palace

Here is your response which proves that you acknowledged my challenge and declined.

Loughran needs to give Charles a rematch soon, before he talks about ducking.......

You're a duck FACT!

[armageto]

You rejected a Bivens Loughran fight over five times.

Why would I give you a rematch when you were ducking my fighter?

Proves how avoided Loughran is again.

B.S., I never duck a fight. I don't remember you ever sending me a pm asking for that fight, or making a post directed just to me about making that fight. Perhaps you made a post once with Bivens name in it and 5 other fighters, and now we are ducking you? Everyone knows I don't duck anyone. You're full of shyt and you are a fraud.



Have a good day........

Week 10,17,21 and 30

Loughran calls out Bivens

Qawi calls out Moore

Qawi is fighting James Mcgirt jr.

If Bivens ducks Loughran is fighting Eric Crumble both at the palace

Here is your response which proves that you acknowledged my challenge and declined.

Loughran needs to give Charles a rematch soon, before he talks about ducking.......

You're a duck FACT!

Sure I am..........


Because I probably already had a fight lined up or didn't see the post. This is just a bad excuse for you to get out of giving Charles a rematch after a close fight. I don't avoid anyone, it's a sim, what's the point?


Looking back at it, out of those weeks twice I already had an opponent locked in, once for that week and once from a prior engagement. Once you called out Dillon is bold text, then threw Bivens name in a list of like 6 other fighters. In one week, you have a legit gripe, and that's because I just didn't see your post.


Making it out to be worse than what it seems as if I'd actually duck Loughran..........

[Crease]

Charles lost to Delaney in week 9, not Dillon Charles

Yep... Delaney not Dillon... I made a blunder in my eagerness to get finish my post.

lost to Spinks in week 37 while in a dead even fight (Leading on one card) due to a cut. Delaney was an eliminator fight and Fox was a mando fight for him. The only title shots Charles got (Besides Spinks in week 37) were fights that were mandated.

Then I ws right? So you admit that Spinks gave you a title shot out of the goodness out of his heart?
You just keep losing your shots... And once again, it is the truth.

Charles was never offered a title shot as a challenger (Even though being in the top 10 virtually all season).

There is absolutely no doubt that Charles is a consistently good fighter with good results...

Thus, the more chances you get at a title shot, the more titles you will win.

Obviously. Yet Charles has been given title shots (whether mandatory or not)... J ejust hasn't performed on the big stage.

Calzaghe won a close decision, dropping Charles in the last round for the win. Not like Charles was blown out of the water. Spinks does have three wins, but none of them were blow outs. One fight was a close decision, I think Majority. One fight was a late KO, while Charles was up on the cards. One fight was stopped late on the cards due to a cut, with the fight even on two cards and Charles up on the third card. Anyhow, I don't have a problem being ranked below these guys.

Good... Because everyone reading this thread will notice that you are have given us details about LOSES.

Hill above Charles? Give me a break. Charles easily beat Hill, has a better overall record. So he's above Charles for being a one time WBU champ?

No...
Hill is a 1 time WBU Champion and a 1 time WBO Champion.
Charles is a 1 time WBO champion.
Thus, Hill has achieved more on the highest stage.
And I will point out that Charles has been given more title shots than Hill. ;;-)

Dillon I don't agree with. Granted, one time undisputed champ. However Charles is 3-1 against him and BEAT him to win the WBO belt.

As I said before, the standard for being a top 10 this season is being an Undisputed Champion...
You can't complain, you've admitted yourself that Spinks gave him an undisputed title shot in Week 37.

I'll make my top 10 at the end of the season........

I very much look forward reading 'Geto.

[armageto]

Sorry man, but you post has a lot of holes. I just mentioned who I lost too, who I think is better and worse than Charles. Your logic for Hill over Charles is pretty pathetic. Charles beat Hill and has a better overall record. The WBU belt? That just means you were ranked outside of the top 15. That is nothing to be proud of. As for Spinks giving me a shot, I said that before. It is the only title shot Charles got that wasn't a mandated fight. However, instead of bottom picking the top 10, Charles went to unify. Instead of fighting Hill when he had a belt, Charles went for the bigger challenge in fighting Fox. You fail to comprehend this somehow. As for my losses, the whole point there is A LOT of these losses are close, down to the wire defeats. Besides Fox, Charles was in every big fight.

Your thinking translates to how you actually would rank fighters in real life, which is suspect at best. You probably think anybody with a title is the best fighter in the division..........




Your fighters are also balls..........

[BoxBuzz]

One of the most courageous things of this year, was Charles accepting his #1 mandatory facing of Champion Rosenbloom. He did not run, and he allowed himself to be put through a perfectly balanced fight that brought out the best in both fighters. Charles walked into the ring as a challenger and out as a challenger. This grueling fight did not change the man's status one iota.

Something that Max prides himself in doing is always being a match for and if needed rising to the precise level of the competition. Even the very best competition.

[Sweet P]

Harry Matthews deserves a mention, With his limited talent he managed to secure the WBU Title and hold it for longer than anyone else in the Sims. He has avioded no one.

Sam Langford hasn't stepped up this season, He was champuion for a week or so, but apart from that was some good wins but more big losses.

[jBacca]

Sam Langford has been the biggest disappointment this season, even more so than Tunney.. sadly.

How long did Matthews hold the WBU for?

[Crease]

Sorry man, but you post has a lot of holes.

It's only you to seems to think so.
I have been commended by Kevo, Jbacca and Neri on this very thread. :)

Your logic for Hill over Charles is pretty pathetic.

I shall say this one more time, because your just not getting it.
Hill has achieved more on the big stage than what Charles had.

As for my losses, the whole point there is A LOT of these losses are close, down to the wire defeats.

"It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."
- Dominic Toretto

Your thinking translates to how you actually would rank fighters in real life, which is suspect at best. You probably think anybody with a title is the best fighter in the division.

Well.... No.
Because in real life we get to watch the fighters performances and make our own judgements... So I don't rank fighters like this in real life...
Don't assume 'geto you are making an ass of yourself.

As for my fighters- they arrived halfway through the season... they only had half of a season to make an impact...
This was a massive disavantage to my fighters.

Not to mention the fact that it was my debut season, and I'm still learning the ropes...
And how to hustle numerous title shots for myself... Like Boxbuzz does.

[Crease]

Harry Matthews deserves a mention, With his limited talent he managed to secure the WBU Title and hold it for longer than anyone else in the Sims. He has avioded no one.

How long did Matthews hold the WBU for?

I'm afraid that you are way wrong Ben K.
Here is a quick list of the best WBU title reigns:

Michael Spinks: Week 7 through to Week 15... 7 successful title defences.

Harry Matthews: Week 21 through to Week 26... 4 successful title defences

James Toney: Week 28 through to Week 33... 4 successful title defences.

Tommy Burns: Week 16 through to Week 20... 3 successful title defences

Philadelphia Jack O'Brien: Week 33 through to Week 37... 3 successful title defences.

SPINKS HAS HELD THE WBU TITLE WAY LONGER THAN ANYONE ELSE!

'Nuff said... I suggest you start doing your homework Ben K or you'll keep getting called.

[Grimm]

Harry Matthews deserves a mention, With his limited talent he managed to secure the WBU Title and hold it for longer than anyone else in the Sims. He has avioded no one.

How long did Matthews hold the WBU for?

I'm afraid that you are way wrong Ben K.
Here is a quick list of the best WBU title reigns:

Michael Spinks: Week 7 through to Week 15... 7 successful title defences.

Harry Matthews: Week 21 through to Week 26... 4 successful title defences

James Toney: Week 28 through to Week 33... 4 successful title defences.

Tommy Burns: Week 16 through to Week 20... 3 successful title defences

Philadelphia Jack O'Brien: Week 33 through to Week 37... 3 successful title defences.

SPINKS HAS HELD THE WBU TITLE WAY LONGER THAN ANYONE ELSE!

'Nuff said... I suggest you start doing your homework Ben K or you'll keep getting called.

In all fairness Spinks was allowed to defend his title against computer controlled opponents.

I would say Matthews and Toney are tied for most defenses.

Spinks only successfully defended against two human controlled opponents.