Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)

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Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)

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HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes

LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore

MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.

WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith

LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)

FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
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Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)

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Heavy

Louis
Ali
Holmes

Lt Heavy

Charles
Moore
Tunney

Middle

Hagler
Greb
Monzon

Welter

Robinson
Armstrong
Gavilan

Light

Duran
Leonard
Whitaker

Feather

Pep
Saddler
Attell
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Re: Top 3 Fighters in these divisions? (non-current)

Post by dempseyfire »

Names in no particular order
HW:

Ali, Louis, Johnson

LHW:

Langford, Charles, Tunney

MW:

Greb, Monzon, Hagler

WW:

Robinson,Leonard, Walcott

LW:

Armstrong, Leonard, Gans

FW:

Pep, Attell, Driscoll

BW:

Jofre, Brown, McGovern

FLW:

Wilde, LaBarba, Villa
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dempseyfire wrote:Names in no particular order
HW:

Ali, Louis, Johnson

LHW:

Langford, Charles, Tunney

MW:

Greb, Monzon, Hagler

WW:

Robinson,Leonard, Walcott

LW:

Armstrong, Leonard, Gans

FW:

Pep, Attell, Driscoll

BW:

Jofre, Brown, McGovern

FLW:

Wilde, LaBarba, Villa
Good call with LaBarba.
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gambler49 wrote:HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes

LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore

MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.

WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith

LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)

FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
In no order...

HW:

Foreman
Ali
Louis

LHW:

Charles
Tunney
Moore

MW:

Monzon
Greb
Robinson

WW:

Robinson
Armstrong
Gavilan

LW:

Leonard
Gans
Williams

FW:

Pep
Sanchez
Saddler

Welter was the toughest for me, but Light, too, was mighty close.
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Ali, Louis, Johnson

Charles, Tunney, Moore

Greb, Monzon, Robinson

Robinson, Griffiths, Leonard (R)

Duran, Gans, Leonard (B)

Armstrong, Pep, Saddler
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Post by Ambling Alp »

Heavy-Ali, Louis,Foreman

Light Heavy-Spinks, Charles, Tunney

Middle-Monzon, Hagler, Greb

Welter-Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong

Light-Duran,Gans, Leonard

Feather-Sanchez,Pep,Saddler

Bantam-Jofre,Harada,Zarate

Fly-Wilde,Perez,Lynch

Picking the three featherweights and the three middleweights were the easiest for me.
Light heavy and bantam were the hardest. You could have easily picked three different guys for each of these weight classes.
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Ambling Alp wrote:Heavy-Ali, Louis,Foreman

Light Heavy-Spinks, Charles, Tunney

Middle-Monzon, Hagler, Greb

Welter-Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong

Light-Duran,Gans, Leonard

Feather-Sanchez,Pep,Saddler

Bantam-Jofre,Harada,Zarate

Fly-Wilde,Perez,Lynch

Picking the three featherweights and the three middleweights were the easiest for me.
Light heavy and bantam were the hardest. You could have easily picked three different guys for each of these weight classes.
It wasn't difficult to pick Sanchez over Armstrong?
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Post by Ambling Alp »

Not all. Two or three years ago there was a topic about rating the featherweights. Armstrong was not nearly as good at featherweight as he was at lightweight and welterweight. He lost several times at that weight class. He is barely top 10 at featherweight.

Of course now people are going to freak out and say how can you say that about Henry Armstrong. I don't think a lot of people actually look at what a fighter did at a certain weight class. They know someone was great and fought at several weight classes annd just assume they were as good at the lower weight class as the higher. That is clearly not the case here.
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To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.

Thus, my selections are in no particular order:

Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali

Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster

Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon

Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles

Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran

Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello

Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares

Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
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HW = Ali, Louis, Holmes

LHW = Spinks, Charles, Moore

MW = Greb, Hagler, Monzon.

WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Armstrong

LW = Leonard, Duran, Gans

FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Attell

These aren't in order

I know you guys will disagree with Lightheavy as well
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raylawpc wrote:To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.

Thus, my selections are in no particular order:

Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali

Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster

Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon

Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles

Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran

Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello

Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares

Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Ray, in many ways your methodology is the best approach to this exercise.
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Using Ray's method...

Heavy

Johnson
Louis
Ali

Light-Heavy

Langford
Charles
Spinks

Middle

Fitzsimmons
Greb
Monzon

Welter

Walcott
Robinson
Griffiths

Light

Gans
Armstrong
Duran

Feather

Attell
Pep/Saddler
Sanchez
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Ezzard wrote:
raylawpc wrote:To do this, I picked the top fighter from (a) pre-Dempsey era; (b) post-Dempsey era to 1960; and 1960 through 1980s.

Thus, my selections are in no particular order:

Heavyweight:
Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali

Light-heavyweight:
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster

Middleweight:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon

Welterweight:
Joe Walcott
Ray Robinson
Jose Napoles

Lightweight:
Kid Lavigne
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran

Featherweight:
George Dixon
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello

Bantamweight:
George Dixon
Manuel Ortiz
Ruben Olivares

Flyweight:
Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Miguel Canto
Ray, in many ways your methodology is the best approach to this exercise.
Thank you, Ezzard.
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HOW COULD U NOT PUT HAGLER!
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gambler49 wrote:HW = Clay, Louis, Holmes

LHW = Tunney, Charles, Moore

MW = Greb, Robinson, Monzon. - - This one is hard wiv so many others. Also u could alter 2&3.

WW = Robinson, Ray Leonard, Griffith

LW = Ben Leonard, Duran, Gans (this was a hard call)

FW(126) = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
HW = Ali, Louis, Johnson
LHW = Charles, Moore, Loughran
MW = Monzon, Robinson, Hagler
WW = Robinson, Armstrong, Gavilan
LW = Duran, Gans, Benny Leonard
FW = Pep, Saddler, Chocolate
BW = Jofre, Panama Al Brown, Zarate
FW = Wilde, Perez, Canto or Villa
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