Does this guy belongs in the all-time heavyweight 100??? I want your opinions about this MEDIOCRE.
I found right off the bat, 69 heavyweights (past and present) that are or were better than him. When I search the records of the heavyweight fighters, I got right now 100 more and counting.
Because a boxer has won 2 titles does not mean he's great or good. Probably LUCK AND CORRUPTION WAS INVOLVED.
I don't think so, but I do believe he could really go down as the worst heavyweight champion ever though! That's about all of my opinion that I will waste on Ruiz!
There really haven't been all that many good heavyweights throughout history. Ruiz has some very good wins, despite his ugly style. He's probably among the best 100 heavyweights of the last 120 years.
Well, I have found 100 better than Ruiz and counting... I cannot see John Ruiz better than this bunch: 1. John L Sullivan, 2. James J. Corbett, 3. Peter Jackson, 4. Jake Kilrain, 5. James J. Jeffries,
6. Marvin Hart, 7. Tommy Burns, 8. Sam Langford, 9. Jack Johnson, 10. Joe Jeannette,
11. Harry Wills, 12. Black Bill, 13. Sam McVeay, 14. Jess Willard, 15. Joe Choynski,
16. Willie Meehan, 17. Billy Miske, 18. Bill Brennan, 19. Ed "Gunboat" Smith, 20. Jack Dempsey,
21. Luis Angel Firpo, 22. Gene Tunney, 23. Max Schmeling, 24. Jack Sharkey, 25. Max Baer,
26. James J. Braddock, 27. Joe Louis, 28. Jersey Joe Walcott, 29. Ezzard Charles, 30. Rocky Marciano
31. Jimmy Bivins, 32. Harry "Kid" Mathews, 33. Tommy Farr, 34. Buddy Baer, 35. Joe Baksi,
36. Lee Savold, 37. Lee Oma, 38. Colin Bell, 39. Floyd Patterson, 40. Nino Valdez,
41. Ingemar Johansson
42. Eddie Machen, 43. Sonny Liston, 44. Zora Folley, 45. Muhammad Ali, 46. Jimmy Ellis
47. Jerry Quarry, 48. Joe Frazier, 49. Ernie Terrell, 50. George Chuvalo, 51. Henry Cooper,
52. Oscar Bonavena, 53. Ken Norton, 54. Ron Lyle, 55. Earnie Shavers, 56. Larry Holmes,
57. Tim Witherspoon, 58. Mike Weaver, 59. John Tate, 60. Michael Dokes, 61. Gerry Cooney,
62. Gerrie Coetzee, 63. Evander Holyfield, 64. Michael Moorer, 65. Mike Tyson,
66. Razor Ruddock
67. Tommy Gibbons, 68. Young Stribbling, 69. Carl "The Truth" Williams, 70. Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams,
71. Michael Spinks, 72. Elmer Ray, 73. David Tua, 74. Vitaly Klitschko, 75. Chris Byrd
76. Alex Stewart,
77. Trevor Berbick, 78. Tony Tucker, 79. Rex Layne, 80. Joe Bugner, 81. Lennox Lewis
82. Riddick Bowe, 83. Ike Ibeabuchi, 84. Greg Page, 85. Don Cockell, 86. Johnny Risko
87. Roland LaStarza, 88. Leon Spinks, 89. Shannon Briggs, 90. Bob Satterfield
91. Jose Manuel Urtain Ibar
92. Mac Foster, 93. Doug Jones, 94. Ray Mercer, 95. Tony Alongi, 96. Tommy Morrison
97. Buster Mathis, 98. Carl Morris, 99. George Foreman, 100. Buster Douglas
Here's a pretty good heavyweight list that I compiled a few years ago, it may be easier to choose from. Of course the format here is different than the microsoft word format that I have it in.
Name Active W-L-D TB
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Jimmy Abbott 1978-1983 19-5-2 (15 KO)
Ahmad Abdin 1992-2002 30-3-4 (14 KO)
Steve Aczel 1974-1985 31-8-1 (27 KO)
Jimmy Adamick 1933-1938 51-5-2 (45 KO)
Bowie Adams 1963-1977 22-12-4 (21 KO)
Matt Adgie 1925-1932 39-24-3 (23 KO)
Domenico Adinolfi 1969-1982 52-9-3 (27 KO)
Pedro Agosto 1966-1978 25-14-1 (19 KO)
Omelio Agramonte 1943-1953 40-21-0 (26 KO)
Billy Aird 1969-1983 26-15-5 (7 KO)
Henry Akinwande 1989-2004 45-2-1 (29 KO)
Larry Alexander 1977-1989 31-13-3 (23 KO)
Olian Alexander 1984-1998 24-10-0 (18 KO)
Muhammad Ali 1960-1981 56-5-0 (37 KO)
Bob Albright 1953-1961 23-12-4 (11 KO)
Tony Alongi 1959-1967 40-2-4 (23 KO)
Sante Amonti 1957-1967 56-9-3 (37 KO)
Bob Amos 1945-1957 40-12-5 (16 KO)
Andre Anderson 1915-1926 13-15-4 (12 KO)
John Anderson 1931-1941 45-31-16 (26 KO)
Lee Anderson 1919-1928 37-28-15 (11 KO)
Paul Andrews 1950-1962 37-10-0 (21 KO)
Reg Andrews 1942-1953 37-13-4 (9 KO)
Rinaldo Ansaloni 1953-1959 25-5-0 (25 KO)
Humberto Arce -- 21-0-1 (12 KO)
George Arias 1996-2003 32-7-0 (20 KO)
Bob Armstrong 1895-1914 31-11-3 (24 KO)
Mike Arnold 1926-1932 22-15-4 (19 KO)
Johnny Arthur 1949-1957 35-8-0 (29 KO)
Bernd August 1973-1983 28-9-2 (19 KO)
Ray Augustus 1942-1959 68-21-4 (32 KO)
barry wrote:>>>>If he is so bad, how come he has beaten so many guys?<<<<
It's plain and simple...Don King!
You actually believe that the Quiet Man's "marketability" is what's kept him in the top ten for so long? If you weren't an editor, I'd tell you to fornicate off, but I won't do that.
No it certainly isn't his marketability because Ruiz is the most painful fighter to watch in history! I'd almost rather have my fingernails ripped out with pliers as opposed to watching a John Ruiz fight all the way through (except the Tua bout), which I'm sure that I am not alone in that feeling, except maybe for people who have John Ruiz as their cybername! It's the fact that he is a Don King fighter and regardless of how ridiculous Ruiz's claim to a portion of the heavyweight title is Don King controls three of the four most recognized belts, which is a powerful asset for any promoter and it something that Don King certainly will not let go of easily whether it is for the good of boxing, or in honest fairness to a boxer that truly earns it, even though Ruiz has done nothing to earn it he has King in his corner! Why the hell do you think that the WBA automatically gave the belt back to John Ruiz after Roy Jones bitch-slapped him for 12 rounds? It certainly wasn't because he earned it, it was because he had Don King...plain and simple! Also, I might actually be a little offended if it was someone who mattered at all that told me to fornicate off, but being that it wasn't, well what else is there to say?
barry wrote:No it certainly isn't his marketability because Ruiz is the most painful fighter to watch in history! I'd almost rather have my fingernails ripped out with pliers as opposed to watching a John Ruiz fight all the way through (except the Tua bout), which I'm sure that I am not alone in that feeling, except maybe for people who have John Ruiz as their cybername! It's the fact that he is a Don King fighter and regardless of how ridiculous Ruiz's claim to a portion of the heavyweight title is Don King controls three of the four most recognized belts, which is a powerful asset for any promoter and it something that Don King certainly will not let go of easily whether it is for the good of boxing, or in honest fairness to a boxer that truly earns it, even though Ruiz has done nothing to earn it he has King in his corner! Why the hell do you think that the WBA automatically gave the belt back to John Ruiz after Roy Jones bitch-slapped him for 12 rounds? It certainly wasn't because he earned it, it was because he had Don King...plain and simple! Also, I might actually be a little offended if it was someone who mattered at all that told me to fornicate off, but being that it wasn't, well what else is there to say?
Sorry, I have a bad day today. What I'm trying to say is that there is no logical reason for Ruiz to win fights via crooked judges because no one wants him to win. Golota, who is a much more marketable fighter than Ruiz, lost to him in a fight many seem to believe was fixed to Ruiz' benefit. This just isn't possible. (Personally, I think the fight should've been a NC as both fighters looked absolutely awful.)
barry wrote:No it certainly isn't his marketability because Ruiz is the most painful fighter to watch in history! I'd almost rather have my fingernails ripped out with pliers as opposed to watching a John Ruiz fight all the way through (except the Tua bout), which I'm sure that I am not alone in that feeling, except maybe for people who have John Ruiz as their cybername! It's the fact that he is a Don King fighter and regardless of how ridiculous Ruiz's claim to a portion of the heavyweight title is Don King controls three of the four most recognized belts, which is a powerful asset for any promoter and it something that Don King certainly will not let go of easily whether it is for the good of boxing, or in honest fairness to a boxer that truly earns it, even though Ruiz has done nothing to earn it he has King in his corner! Why the hell do you think that the WBA automatically gave the belt back to John Ruiz after Roy Jones bitch-slapped him for 12 rounds? It certainly wasn't because he earned it, it was because he had Don King...plain and simple! Also, I might actually be a little offended if it was someone who mattered at all that told me to fornicate off, but being that it wasn't, well what else is there to say?
I could not said it better barry, THIS IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
Another TRUTH is there is 2 more in my list better than Ruiz: James Toney and Tom Sharkey, 2 hall of famers in their own right.
Marciano Frazier wrote:There really haven't been all that many good heavyweights throughout history. Ruiz has some very good wins, despite his ugly style. He's probably among the best 100 heavyweights of the last 120 years.
Agree
Whilst not most peoples favourite, he did have some good wins.