Dream Fights

[lucaselrey]

And Robinson lost to a much less talented fighter in Lamotta. Do fighters not have off nights? Ali lost to a bum in Leon Spinks, Now would u say he wouldn't whup Tyson's behind because of that?

[Goodnight, Irene]

And Robinson lost to a much less talented fighter in Lamotta. Do fighters not have off nights? Ali lost to a bum in Leon Spinks, Now would u say he wouldn't whup Tyson's behind because of that?

Sorry, I replied to your post before I read some of your other work. Didn't realise I was speaking with such an ungodly moron.

Enjoy the Ignore function. I know I will

[lucaselrey]

lol well u have been making greatttt use of it!

[lucaselrey]

dude im a freakin genius! beast mode!

[keithmoonhangover]

Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

[lucaselrey]

Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

[keithmoonhangover]

Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

[lucaselrey]

ok thank you.

[Idisagree]

Ketchel - Hagler

Ketchel wins

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

[keithmoonhangover]

honestly dont know to much about Ketchel. would u mind telling me more bout him?

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

IMHO Ketchel would have taken Hagler and Monzon and outworked Greb.

[keithmoonhangover]

The Ring magazine rated Ketchel the # 6 among the 100 greatest punchers of all time in 2003.

[Idisagree]

Well put it this way. Nat Fleischer, founder of Ring magazine and boxing historian, said in the late 60's that Ketchel was the second best middleweight ever (behind Ray Robinson). FLeischer saw both of them live, so was a good person to judge.

He died aged twenty four, while still holding the middleweight championship and he hit hard enough to floor Jack Johnson when he challenged for the heavyweight title - I can't imagine Hagler knocking down Larry Holmes.

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

IMHO Ketchel would have taken Hagler and Monzon and outworked Greb.

Taken iron chin Hagler? how? Hagler had probably the best chin in boxing history.
Monzon is not too far behind in the chin department. Most people rank Hagler and Monzon among the best middleweights ever.
As for outworking Greb shows only how much do you know about him. I think you need to do some research.

[theory]

Sanchez vs. Pep
JCC vs. Duran
Zarate vs. Olivares
Tyson vs Ali
Louis vs Frazier
Louis vs. Ali
Tyson vs. Frazier
Hearns vs. Hagler 2

[theory]

Sanchez vs. Pep
JCC vs. Duran
Zarate vs. Olivares
Tyson vs Ali
Louis vs Frazier
Louis vs. Ali
Tyson vs. Frazier
Hearns vs. Hagler 2

The point of the thread is to put on a dream-card, therefore, fighters would only get one fight each.

I'd say out of those four (& breaking it down into two) we'll make:

Clay/Ali vs. Louis (Clay/Ali vs. Tyson would just be a one-sided beating courtesy of the man with the shuffle).

&

Frazier vs. Tyson (Tyson has a good chance of taking out Frazier early, but, if Frazier can get through the early on-slaught I see his constant pressure & superior conditioning being able to carry himself to a points decision).

Yeah, sorry about that, I was thinking dream fights only, not a dream card.

[keithmoonhangover]

At middleweight I rate Harry Greb higher than Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, and any other fighter past or present.

IMHO Ketchel would have taken Hagler and Monzon and outworked Greb.

Taken iron chin Hagler? how? Hagler had probably the best chin in boxing history.
Monzon is not too far behind in the chin department. Most people rank Hagler and Monzon among the best middleweights ever.
As for outworking Greb shows only how much do you know about him. I think you need to do some research.

I've done my research for the last 20 odd years. It's just my opinion. But I happen to share it with one of the most knowledgable men to ever grace the sport.

I think Ketchel would outwork Hagler and take him out in the later rounds due to facial damage.

I think he outworks Greb. As I said, it's juts my opinion.

[Nile4000]

Dokes vs Page, circa 1982
Holmes vs Tate
Graziano vs LaMotta
Conn vs Charles
Frazier vs Norton
Galindez vs Saad Muhammad
Mayweather vs Camacho
Rosario vs Verderosa
Hagler vs Monzon
Foster vs Spinks
Prince vs R. James
Chandler vs Gomez
Kenty vs Davis Jr.
Starling vs McCory.
Hearns vs Moore.