Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:Fair play to him for taking the fight. That p*ssy Haye wouldn't.
And he's going to Germany to fight him as well! You gotta respect that after only a hand full of fights.
They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.Shirow wrote:It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...
Agreed mate..JamesH wrote:Jesus wrote:valuev is a joke, mormeck was shot and macerinelli has always been mediocre....Captain Hook wrote:PS I wouldn't call Haye a pussy after manning up and taking on Valuev (who many thought would KO him), Enzo Macc (pre-series of devastating KOs) and Mormeck...
Bit harsh...
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.
The talent pool in the heavyweight division has always been exceptionally low, once you travel outside the top 10, I think either man would have been in the top 20 at any time maybe even including the 1970's. They may be clumsy, but they are extremely effective.Captain Hook wrote:They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.Shirow wrote:It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...
They must be the luckiest men on the planet.
They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...
wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!Captain Hook wrote:Agreed mate..JamesH wrote:Jesus wrote: valuev is a joke, mormeck was shot and macerinelli has always been mediocre....
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.
What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight
Macca was top 5 in the division at the time, as was valuev, as was Mormeck. Mormeck wasn't shot, he was definitely on the slide, but far from shot.Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!Captain Hook wrote:Agreed mate..JamesH wrote:
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.
What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight
It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?Captain Hook wrote:They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.Shirow wrote:It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.Captain Hook wrote:These two are so bad for boxing, oh to have a Muhammad Ali or peak Lewis or Tyson around now to reaffirm our faith in the division...
They must be the luckiest men on the planet.
They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...
ffs everyone knew haye would destroy enzo and even they was surprised how quickly he did it!!! and wtf has mormeck done since? i will give haye some credit he went to france and beat the champ...(mostly because mormeck gassed out)...but come on if these are the bst names on his resume just goes to show how overrated he is......jamesmcdonnell wrote:Macca was top 5 in the division at the time, as was valuev, as was Mormeck. Mormeck wasn't shot, he was definitely on the slide, but far from shot.Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!Captain Hook wrote: Agreed mate..
What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight
I think history will look on them more kindly.Captain Hook wrote: They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
It's the whole kit and caboodle, agreed, it just sucks they're reaping the rewards by being cumbersome and rather large, with opposition that's overweight, unambitious and usually there for the pay day.Shirow wrote:It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?Captain Hook wrote:They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.Shirow wrote: It's not them its everyone else. It's up to the next Ali, Lewis or Tyson to appear. You can't blame the K bros for staying active & clearing out a division of undeserving challengers. That's what they're supposed to do.
They must be the luckiest men on the planet.
They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...
I not a fan but it's the division that sucks imo, not the champions.
Their CVs will look very good, agreed, but easily the best opponent on Vitali's CV is Lewis, and he lost that one.Deserter wrote:I think history will look on them more kindly.Captain Hook wrote: They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
Right, ok pal......nice comeback!Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!Captain Hook wrote:Agreed mate..JamesH wrote:
Hindsight is great isn't it? There wasn't too many people who said any of those things prior to the fights.
What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight
Most people in the UK backed Haye, that is correct. The general opinion at the time was that Haye was probably just about favourite but was in no way as much of a favourite as the bookies had him. When they stood face to face (or face to pec), posters began questioning whether Haye would have it in him to do it.Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!
Captain Hook wrote:Right, ok pal......nice comeback!Jesus wrote:wow enzo was the WBOllocks champion! he must be an all time great...i mean world titles are so hard to come by nowadays (now thats sarcasm)...and for the record i remember most people on here agreeing that haye would outbox valuev but were worried about a dodgey decision what with it being in germany and all....and valuev is one of the worst heavyweight champions in history...and mormeck? a good cruiserweight but was shot by the time haye got to him....and i dont care if you think its a "bullshit " post its just my opinion if you dont like it do one!!!Captain Hook wrote: Agreed mate..
What a effing bullshit post.. Enzo was a champ as well, Haye was challenger to Mormeck and fought him overseas and 50% of people on here had Haye losing to Valuev pre-fight
Fact is, they are not responsible for the state of the division.Captain Hook wrote:It's the whole kit and caboodle, agreed, it just sucks they're reaping the rewards by being cumbersome and rather large, with opposition that's overweight, unambitious and usually there for the pay day.Shirow wrote:It's the division i'm sick of, they're lining their pockets whilst they make the best of the situation they are in. Other than sign to fight Haye or Povetkin (which one or both of them have already done of course) what would you have them do other than fight 3 times of the year knocking off their crappy mandatories and whoever else comes along?Captain Hook wrote: They're not bad for boxing? Come on mate, it's all about the money with them, not the prestige.
They must be the luckiest men on the planet.
They wouldn't have been in the top five 15-20 years ago...
I agree someone needs to take the title from them, but the odds are stacked against anyone who goes up against them, as much out of the ring as in it...
I not a fan but it's the division that sucks imo, not the champions.
f*ck the WBO belt! not worth the leather its attached to. hold WBOllocks in the same regards as IBO- b or c level belt.....WBC and WBA belts are the only ones with real history....King Geedorah wrote:The idea that Haye somehow won the Mormeck fight simply by standing up until his opponent lost steam is a compelling one. Not half as compelling as the evidence presented in the fight itself. Haye made good use of the left hook to the body, which can tire the opponent. Sometimes a nice left hook to the body is a better weapon than merely standing there waiting for the other guy to gas, sometimes, not always.
WBO, rubbish, isn't it? How Marco Antonio Barrera got his respect when holding that belt is beyond me. Actually, it isn't -- it was because he is a very good fighter. Enzo, whilst not as good, was respected in the division at that time and many people went for him to win, then promptly said 'I told you so' when he lost.
When I first joined Boxrec I thought that 'revisionism' was the art of preparing for your GCSEs. Blimey, how wrong can one man be.
Actually, heavyweight boxing is fooked up because most of the top heavyweights are fat slobs and miles below the Klitschkos in terms of ability. Most of the fights that have fell through in the HW division are not because someone has to fight Vitali if they win, it is because there are financial details the camps can't agree on. These disagreements are common in every division, and Haye has had his part in them as well.J wrote:none of the belts mean eff all anymore.
by the way in case you didnt know those nice klts bros have insisted should del boy win he has to fight his elder brother...
http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news ... 12902.html
its this bullshit that is fookin up heavyweight boxing.