How does this rule admendment affect?

[Athorn4941]

This is the new amended rule but it contradicts another rule in the rulebook?

The USAB Rules are hereby amended as follows:

1. Part III, Article IX, Section 309 (subparts 309.1 through 309.13, inclusive of all subsections and clauses thereto), is hereby amended and restated in its entirety as follows:

The Heading of Part III, Article IX shall be "AMATEUR STATUS".

309.1. Amateur Status

The amateur status of a boxer shall be determined pursuant to the terms of this Section 309, and this Section 309 shall apply only to such determination.

All athletes who have competed previously in other combat sports (including but not limited to judo, karate, taekwondo, and wrestling) must register as ‘OPEN CLASS’ athletes in USA Boxing unless that competition was competed before the athlete reached 15 years of age.

This is the rule it conflicts with

110.1.5 says - Boxers must have a minimum of five bouts prior to entering LBC tournaments that lead to regional or national championships. Bouts won on a walkover are not to be included in establishing the abover requirement.

Now can I enter a boxer with zero fights in a tourney if he was a wrestler. Or is he not allowed to enter a tourney for fighters with 0 to 10 fights like the world ringside cause he would be considered open(according to the amended rule)?

[boxmel]

Now can I enter a boxer with zero fights in a tourney if he was a wrestler. Or is he not allowed to enter a tourney for fighters with 0 to 10 fights like the world ringside cause he would be considered open(according to the amended rule)?

Good question. I've emailed Hal Adonis, USAB president, for clarification. Will post when answer received.

[Athorn4941]

Boxmel can you also forward the email to me after you get a response from Hal Adonis.

[email protected]

[boxmel]

Boxmel can you also forward the email to me after you get a response from Hal Adonis.

More than happy to.

[Dennis]

The new rule says "competed previously in other combat sports..." without further definition of what constitutes prior competition. As written it states that a 17 year old would have to box in the open class if he/she had competed in other combat sports (the list provided is not all inclusive) which could mean one wrestling match at the age of 15 or 16 turns the new boxer into an "open class" boxer. However, had the new boxer had 100 wrestling matches with the last one being the day before he turns 15, he can be a novice class boxer.

How are boxing officials going to know in someone has "competed" in other combat sports? Are our registration forms going to change to ask questions about it? Are we going to do background checks on new boxers?

[Athorn4941]

The current registration form actually has it on there. Even how many bouts they had doing it. It sometimes confuses my registration person and accidently puts in there record for wrestling instead of the 0-0 for the boxing in the passbook.

[Dennis]

The form asks "Have you competed in any amateur combat sports? _Yes _No. If so, what sport? ___________ Won:___ Lost:___"

That isn't very specific as some people might consider racquetball a combat sport, especially if they ever played against me. Others wouldn't consider wrestling a combat sport. They might only think that MMA is a combat sport. The forms really need to be more specific.

[Dennis]

A professional football player, hockey player, or basketball player can compete in the novice class as an amateur boxer, but a 17 year old who wrestled a few matches in high school at age 16 or 17 or an athlete who competed a few times in Judo has to start boxing in the open class. Something doesn't seem right.

[Athorn4941]

I know what you mean. Cause what is a combat sport.

The thing that worries me is getting into the big tourneys and cause alot of my boxers also wrestle or wrestled. they are not allowed to enter a tourney as a novice to start to build up some fights instead they would be forced to box in the Open class.

Alot of the combat sports to dont have the contact that ours does.

[Athorn4941]

Also if they made the form to specific it will be 30 pages long like they are buying a house or something.

[Dennis]

The term combat sports needs to be more clearly defined as does the phrase "competed previously in".

I do not see how a year or two of wrestling is going to be a huge advantage for an athlete in amateur boxing. If that athlete has to start by boxing as an open class boxer, he/she will be in TROUBLE.

My suggestion would be to enter these athletes in club shows only to get experience and match them against other athletes with little to no amateur boxing experience. I just wouldn't enter them in any tournaments (since they have to box in the open class) until they have at least 5 bouts of experience.