Complete HWGT records?

Palais · Post by **Palais** » 10 Sep 2002, 11:01

Wich hwgt record, from the following list, may be considered as complete?
They are divided in era-continent-BoxRec status;

1900-30

America
Bud Gorman; 19-17-2
Fireman Jim Flynn; 28-36-14
Gus Ruhlin; 22-7-4
Young Bob Fitzimmons; 7-13-1
Walter Cobb; 14-12-2
Paul Swiderski; 10-10-1
Meyer (KO) Christner; 29-36-4
Jack deMave; 10-17-3
Frank Moran; 30-14-2

South America
Alberto Lovell Sr.; 39-9-2
Emilio King Solomon; 5-29-1

Europe
Roberto Roberti; 17-10-4
Franz Diener; 29-9-4
Paulino Uzcudun; 51-16-3
Bartley Madden; 17-12-6
Phil Scott; 26-9-2
Arthur De Kuh; 23-13-1
Walter Neusel; 68-13-9

1930-40

America
Lloyd Marshall; 64-25-4
Lou Nova; 39-9-4
Buddy Baer; 48-7-0
Bob Murphy; 66-11-1
Roscoe Toles; 31-9-5
Steve Hamas; 16-4-2
Natie Brown; 31-20-6

South America
Cesar Brion; 34-12-0

Europe
Marcel Limage; 4-12-0

1950-60

Commonwealth
Earl Walls; 29-8-1
Duke Sabedong; 17-15-2
Kitione Lave; 17-14-1

America
Alonzo Johnson; 25-18-0
Tommy Harrison, 7-10-1
Clarence Henry; 33-6-1
Elmer Ray; 86-15-1
John Henry; 6-8-2
Roland LaStarza; 55-9-0
Dan Bucceroni; 46-6-0
Omelio Agramonte; 41-20-0
Bob Sattefield; 50-25-5
Bob Baker; 51-16-1Billy Hunter; 7-11-2

South America
Alex Miteff; 25-13-1

Europe
Ossi Buttner; 18-16-6
Uber Baccilieri; 28-20-6
Gunter Nurnberg; 7-9-3
Hein ten Hoff; 32-7-4
Ulli Ritter; 26-18-9
Frederico Friso; 22-28-7
Wilson Kohlbrecher; 10-9-5
Joe Erskine; 45-8-1
Jim Cooper; 15-12-1
Ray Shiel; 21-20-2

1970-80

America
Carlton Elijah Tillery; 21-6-0
John Dino Dennis; 45-5-2
Scott LeDoux; 33-13-4
Chuck Wepner; 35-14-2
George O'Mara; 15-17-3
Joe Thomas; 23-2-1
Dave Zyglewiscz; 32-4-0
Morris Jackson; 18-6-1
Johnny Boudreaux; 21-5-1
Rodney Frazier; 16-4-0
James Broad; 23-10-0
Terry Kreuger; 34-15-1
Jeff Merritt; 23-3-1
Larry Middleton; 23-10-2
Henry Clark; 33-12-3
Pat Duncan; 45-11-2
Gordon Racette; 38-6-0
Paul Nielsen; 13-13-0

Europe
Jan Lubbers; 28-13-2

South Africa
Jimmy Richards; 28-11-4

South America
Vincente Paul Rondon; 39-15-1
Jose Luis Garcia; 29-8-1
Pedro Lovell; 18-3-2
Alberto Lovell Jr.; 29-15-2
Jose Manzur; 5-13-4
Rodolfo Diaz; 20-8-1

If anybody could add to or complete some of the records, or any comments, I would apreciate it.
More to follow another day.

YT
:)

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 10 Sep 2002, 11:07

The Hamlyn Encyclopedia of Boxing also has a 48-7 record for Buddy Baer, so I guess it's complete

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 10 Sep 2002, 11:52

Christner isn't. I'm still finding bouts for him in the newspapers.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 10 Sep 2002, 12:12

Complete from your list, or at least unless someone makes a discovery:

Lloyd Marshall
Bob Murphy
Scott LeDoux
Chuck Wepner
Dave Zyglewicz
James Broad
Larry Middleton
Gordon Racette
Vicente Rondon
Jose Luis Garcia

$ bill · Post by **$ bill** » 10 Sep 2002, 12:13

Minor item on Buddy Baer. October 8, 1936 location has WI, USA. Shows Davis fighting both Baer's on same day. Max's location is Platteville, WI.. Would Buddy's be the same? Wouter, does your encyclopedia give Platteville, WI. USA for Buddy also?

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 10 Sep 2002, 14:53

Palle, from the figures you give:
There are 10 fights missing from Lou Nova's record.
3 from Roland LaStarza's record.
13 from Gus Ruhlin's record.
30+ from 'Fireman' Jim Flynn's record.
I'll check some of the others later.

robin · Post by **robin** » 10 Sep 2002, 17:11

Added missing bouts to Nova's record. We have a dupe with Sonnyboy Walker 1937-07-09 & 10, one a win the other a draw.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 10 Sep 2002, 18:35

The fighters listed by Matt have been changed to complete.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 10 Sep 2002, 20:42

SteveO,

1984 RRB page 942, has in Roland LaStarza's record,

08-30-48 KO 2 Mel McKinney in NY.

This is not listed in BoxRec.
What are the other 2 bouts missing ?

Also,
BoxRec has,

05-04-48 KO 6 Freddie McManusin NY.
1984 RRB has it as a W 6.

Since I don't trust RRB that much, can anyone clear it up?

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 11 Sep 2002, 06:02

It's not a record book, Blue. It only gives records as a whole. It's only helpful in giving an indication of approximately how many fights are missing.

phil · Post by **phil** » 11 Sep 2002, 11:05

RRBs have Henry Clark's fight v Johnny Gordon as 2nd June 1964 (not 28th)

Phil

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 11 Sep 2002, 13:18

According to my records:
9th July 1937 Lou Nova DREW10 Sonny 'Boy' Walker.
4th May 1948 Roland LaStarza WPTS6 Freddie McManus.
Sorry, there were only 2 bouts missing from LaStarza's record not 3.
The other one is:
21st December 1960 WKO4 Ike Thomas in Paterson, New Jersey.
Anyone know Lou Nova's reach measurement?

phil · Post by **phil** » 12 Sep 2002, 03:58

Pat Duncan:

Driscoll, 2nd Wiler and Kim Edwards fights are TKOs
Duplicate of Chuck/Leslie Borden
Lost to Rodney Bobick TKO 6 not 10
Beat Ed Bytheway in 1976 NOT 1975

Dino Dennis:

RRB 1983 says his bout with Jerry Houston was 10 rounds...........
Clyde Brown match was a TKO

Henry Clark:

Leotis Martin fight - was this a pts win, disqualification win or DRAW???
Dunlop should be TKO
Jimmy Fletcher bout should be 12 rounds?

Johnny Boudreaux:

2nd Elgie Waters fight is listed as 6 rounds decision in 1978 RRB
? re no of rounds in 2nd Atlas fight
Brian O'Melia bout should be 10 rounds

Phil