in Vegas??
I think Showtime's original contract stated both semi-finals would be in America. Obviously things have changed a lot since Showtime launched the Super 6. Froch-Johnson would make much more sense over here, from a fans point of view.alexpaterson wrote:Ward shouldn't be fighting in the US again IMO. I would like to see them on the same bill though, maybe Germany? Tough fight for Carl, Johnson is a real warrior I don't think this is going to be quite as easy as people think!
Johnson's a tough guy no doubt, but I also think Green helped Johnson look good, making so many amateurish mistakes.And Green was ahead on 2 of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage. If you fight the right fight against Johnson he's beatable. Tarver did the same thing to Johnson in their rematch too - outboxed him on the outside so he couldn't get his shots off. And let's be fair Johnson lost some of his fights fair and square, not all of them were the robberies he likes to claim. Plus, I wouldn't say Froch's boxing ability is new, you don't win a world amatuer medal without boxing skills, it's just he went back to basics instead of having his usual tear up.tonyevs wrote:he pressured Green pretty good last time - and lets not get too carried away with Frochs new boxing ability. Abraham kinda helped that illusion greatly I think ..
would be to bring up old Audley .. but thats picking hairs ... we all know the amateur and pro game are so vastly different nowadays.Newport Daz wrote:Johnson's a tough guy no doubt, but I also think Green helped Johnson look good, making so many amateurish mistakes.And Green was ahead on 2 of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage. If you fight the right fight against Johnson he's beatable. Tarver did the same thing to Johnson in their rematch too - outboxed him on the outside so he couldn't get his shots off. And let's be fair Johnson lost some of his fights fair and square, not all of them were the robberies he likes to claim. Plus, I wouldn't say Froch's boxing ability is new, you don't win a world amatuer medal without boxing skills, it's just he went back to basics instead of having his usual tear up[quotetonyevs wrote:he pressured Green pretty good last time - and lets not get too carried away with Frochs new boxing ability. Abraham kinda helped that illusion greatly I think ..
The obvious counter to youryou don't win a world amatuer medal without boxing skills
don't think anyone disputes the fact he has skills....he just hasn't got a heart....not something you can accuse froch of.would be to bring up old Audley
True, but with the exception of Kessler he won them all. Finding a way to win in advesre circumstances is a good skill to have. I think Froch beats Johnson and loses to Ward in the final to be honest. I 'd love to be wrong, but Ward is just better imo.tonyevs wrote:would be to bring up old Audley .. but thats picking hairs ... we all know the amateur and pro game are so vastly different nowadays.Newport Daz wrote:Johnson's a tough guy no doubt, but I also think Green helped Johnson look good, making so many amateurish mistakes.And Green was ahead on 2 of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage. If you fight the right fight against Johnson he's beatable. Tarver did the same thing to Johnson in their rematch too - outboxed him on the outside so he couldn't get his shots off. And let's be fair Johnson lost some of his fights fair and square, not all of them were the robberies he likes to claim. Plus, I wouldn't say Froch's boxing ability is new, you don't win a world amatuer medal without boxing skills, it's just he went back to basics instead of having his usual tear up[quotetonyevs wrote:he pressured Green pretty good last time - and lets not get too carried away with Frochs new boxing ability. Abraham kinda helped that illusion greatly I think ..
The obvious counter to youryou don't win a world amatuer medal without boxing skills
I do however agree that Johnson is very beatable. I have never said Froch wouldn`t beat him.
I just look to the Woods fights with him ... Froch is a a better fighter again in my eyes ..
But just as you say Green made Johnson look good, I happen to think Abraham made Froch look better than he really is. Just take a look at all - every single fight - that Froch has had at top level.
Very hard work against Pascal, losing the fight up till 14 seconds from the end with Taylor and a clear loss to Kessler ...
and the Dirrel fight also.
Yes. But you could say he was very very lucky in both the Taylor and Dirrel fights .. if the Dirrel fight had been anywhere else, it would most probably have been another loss.Newport Daz wrote: True, but with the exception of Kessler he won them all. Finding a way to win in advesre circumstances is a good skill to have. I think Froch beats Johnson and loses to Ward in the final to be honest. I 'd love to be wrong, but Ward is just better imo.
And Johnson being the way he is and has been throughout his career would likely fight someone in the middle of a minefield if it meant him getting a fight.states wrote:I think Showtime's original contract stated both semi-finals would be in America. Obviously things have changed a lot since Showtime launched the Super 6. Froch-Johnson would make much more sense over here, from a fans point of view.alexpaterson wrote:Ward shouldn't be fighting in the US again IMO. I would like to see them on the same bill though, maybe Germany? Tough fight for Carl, Johnson is a real warrior I don't think this is going to be quite as easy as people think!
Can't see Hatton v Witter happening but you never say never, no chance of Cleverly fighting on a Hennessy card though.earsjohn wrote:I can see this being a big, 2 location double header.
UK Leg @ MEN
Carl Froch v Glen Johnson
Matthew Hatton v Junior Witter
Beibut Shumenov v Nathan Cleverly
Darren Barker, Tyson Fury
US Leg @ Anywhere but Oakland
Andre Ward v Arthur Abraham
Chris Arreola v Eddie Chambers
Some other Goosen prospects
Depending on the dates, combine it with Vitali v Solis/Austin from Germany and you have a PPV worthy night (comparable with 11th Dec).
A pipe dream I know! But all the fights are realistic within a timeframe of March/April - why not put them altogether for a big night?
I see no reason why not - it's happened before.banjo wrote:no chance of Cleverly fighting on a Hennessy card though.
After purse bids against a Hennessy boxer.No way is Clev boxing on that fantasy show.Neither will it take place in Manchester or M.Hatton will face Witter!Dioufy wrote:I see no reason why not - it's happened before.banjo wrote:no chance of Cleverly fighting on a Hennessy card though.
Let's not forget that after engaging in a war for six rounds with Pascal and working out he couldn't just blast him out of there, when Carl started using the jab properly and boxed he controlled the fight comfortably against a current world light-heavyweight champ.tonyevs wrote:Yes. But you could say he was very very lucky in both the Taylor and Dirrel fights .. if the Dirrel fight had been anywhere else, it would most probably have been another loss.Newport Daz wrote: True, but with the exception of Kessler he won them all. Finding a way to win in advesre circumstances is a good skill to have. I think Froch beats Johnson and loses to Ward in the final to be honest. I 'd love to be wrong, but Ward is just better imo.
I too think he beats old man Johnson, and loses to Ward.