Cotto: Tszyu will stop Hatton

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 23 May 2005, 13:36

WBO jr welterweight titlist Miguel Cotto looking at SHOWTIME's June 4 showdown between Kostya Tszyu and Ricky Hatton with interest. "It is a one-sided fight," said Cotto from his training camp in Caguas, Puerto Rico. "Tszyu should win easily before the seventh round. Tszyu is too strong and has too much experience for Hatton. Tszyu has also fought a higher caliber of opposition.....his power should be the decisive factor in this fight." The following week, Cotto makes his Madison Square Garden debut, defending his title in a rematch against nemesis and 2000 Olympic gold medalist Muhammad Abdullaev, 15-1 (12 KOs) -- the last man to defeat him (during the 2000 Olympics).

By the way is it just me who is made up with this little icon ?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 May 2005, 14:06

I did find it interesting that all of the fighters, even fighters who have fought Ricky and not Tszyu, in Boxing Monthly went for the Veteran. Although, none of them said Ricky was poor - all said he was world class, but Tszyu is an all time great.

(Just though I would use this little icon aswell).

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 May 2005, 05:09

Well if you go for Hatton, you're picking a major upset - the Aussie is arguably top 3 P4P, and P4P wise, Hatton is nowheresville.

So no surprise virtualy everyone is picking Tszyu to win.
Very different fight, but virtualy everyone including the bookies, was predicting a Golota win last week.

Overall, I'd say people are giving Hatton a much better chance than they gave Benn before the McClellan fight for instance...

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 24 May 2005, 06:58

MightyWarrior wrote:Well if you go for Hatton, you're picking a major upset - the Aussie is arguably top 3 P4P, and P4P wise, Hatton is nowheresville.

So no surprise virtualy everyone is picking Tszyu to win.
Very different fight, but virtualy everyone including the bookies, was predicting a Golota win last week.

Overall, I'd say people are giving Hatton a much better chance than they gave Benn before the McClellan fight for instance...

I'd have to say Tszyu is a much much better fighter than McClennan ever was.

I'd also say that Benn was better than Hatton.

Tszyu by KO, quick

J · Post by J » 24 May 2005, 07:20

dunno its a bit hazy as its a while ago but wasnt Gman the p4p king at the time you dont get any better than that surely?

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 24 May 2005, 07:30

J wrote:dunno its a bit hazy as its a while ago but wasnt Gman the p4p king at the time you dont get any better than that surely?

McClellan P4P king, never, he was a one trick pony. All he had was power.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 24 May 2005, 07:52

Graham Brett wrote:
J wrote:dunno its a bit hazy as its a while ago but wasnt Gman the p4p king at the time you dont get any better than that surely?
McClellan P4P king, never, he was a one trick pony. All he had was power.

No he nice boxing skills, nice jab and movement, but Benn wasn't too badly placed P4P either - and he was WBC champ

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 May 2005, 07:55

J wrote:dunno its a bit hazy as its a while ago but wasnt Gman the p4p king at the time you dont get any better than that surely?

No but you'd have him down as the most feared fighter of his time.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 24 May 2005, 07:59

P4P guys lose to contenders - Forrest/Winky-Mosley, Jones-Tarver/Johnson, MAB-Paquiao.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 May 2005, 07:59

Gerald was never quite P4P king, he was seen by many as P4P king in waiting, but he had one major flaw, which was that he had no defence to speak of. His boxing skills were pretty good, but he seemed to rely on his offensive prowess almost exclusively. He would have gotten clobbered by someone eventually.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 24 May 2005, 08:02

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gerald was never quite P4P king, he was seen by many as P4P king in waiting, but he had one major flaw, which was that he had no defence to speak of. His boxing skills were pretty good, but he seemed to rely on his offensive prowess almost exclusively. He would have gotten clobbered by someone eventually.

Like Hamed with less stamina and without the solid chin. I think a lack of stamina and weight draining did him in against Benn. He was used to blowing guys out so quick he didn't have the stamina to defend himself in the later rounds

J · Post by J » 24 May 2005, 08:04

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gerald was never quite P4P king, he was seen by many as P4P king in waiting, but he had one major flaw, which was that he had no defence to speak of. His boxing skills were pretty good, but he seemed to rely on his offensive prowess almost exclusively. He would have gotten clobbered by someone eventually.
Like Hamed with less stamina and without the solid chin. I think a lack of stamina and weight draining did him in against Benn. He was used to blowing guys out so quick he didn't have the stamina to defend himself in the later rounds

fornicate me all this is a bit harsh dont you think? what are we basing Mcellleans glass jaw on then, a fight that left him paralysyed and one that took a hell of a lot of punishement in? are you sure I dont think we should questioning G mans chin personally?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 May 2005, 08:10

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gerald was never quite P4P king, he was seen by many as P4P king in waiting, but he had one major flaw, which was that he had no defence to speak of. His boxing skills were pretty good, but he seemed to rely on his offensive prowess almost exclusively. He would have gotten clobbered by someone eventually.
Like Hamed with less stamina and without the solid chin. I think a lack of stamina and weight draining did him in against Benn. He was used to blowing guys out so quick he didn't have the stamina to defend himself in the later rounds

Weight draining? McClellan started out at LM, hardly likely to be weight drained at SM. He looked pretty frail compared to Benn at SM, and he obviously wasn't prepared for someone to get up from the kind of kicking he gave Benn. Benn's low crouching style also gave him problems, as McClelland liked to throw straight shots and hooks/overhands, he hardly used the uppercut at all, which Benn was open for all night. Many of the shots McClellan landed were clubbing shots on the top of the head.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 May 2005, 08:11

The G Man had a fantastic chin - too good in fact. Ask Julian Jackson what he reckons.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 24 May 2005, 08:38

McClellan messed Jackson up for keeps.

Guys who were at the top around the time of McClellan - Benn were boxers like Whittaker, Jones Jnr, Trinidad, DLH, Ricardo Lopez, Arbachakoz, Tom Johnson, Bowe, and even guys like Virgil Hill and Ike Quartey. McClellan was good but that's a tasty bunch to be top of.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 May 2005, 08:55

Good Showtime interview with Hatton, today I think.

Just read Tszyu is part Korean...

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=3650&more=1

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 24 May 2005, 17:09

That's a bit obvious don't you think?

He's from a part is Russia that used to be right near Asia wasn't he?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 24 May 2005, 18:32

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Gerald was never quite P4P king, he was seen by many as P4P king in waiting, but he had one major flaw, which was that he had no defence to speak of. His boxing skills were pretty good, but he seemed to rely on his offensive prowess almost exclusively. He would have gotten clobbered by someone eventually.
Like Hamed with less stamina and without the solid chin. I think a lack of stamina and weight draining did him in against Benn. He was used to blowing guys out so quick he didn't have the stamina to defend himself in the later rounds
Weight draining? McClellan started out at LM, hardly likely to be weight drained at SM. He looked pretty frail compared to Benn at SM, and he obviously wasn't prepared for someone to get up from the kind of kicking he gave Benn. Benn's low crouching style also gave him problems, as McClelland liked to throw straight shots and hooks/overhands, he hardly used the uppercut at all, which Benn was open for all night. Many of the shots McClellan landed were clubbing shots on the top of the head.

I heard he boiled down considerably. Wasn't part of the reason for the brain damage the fact his brain was so drained of fluids?

felixthacat · Post by **felixthacat** » 24 May 2005, 22:23

I heard a quote on the news from Kostya saying "Kostya Tszyu at 35 would beat Kostya Tszyu at 25"

felixthacat · Post by **felixthacat** » 24 May 2005, 22:23

I heard a quote on the news from Kostya saying "Kostya Tszyu at 35 would beat Kostya Tszyu at 25"

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 25 May 2005, 04:44

Southpaw Stylist wrote:That's a bit obvious don't you think?

He's from a part is Russia that used to be right near Asia wasn't he?

Used to be near Asia?

Is that what they call a Korea move?