Tony Bellew/Ovill Mckenzie Result?

[fasteddie]

that stoppage was a load of shite would bellew be happy if that stupid pudendum of a ref stopped it in the 2nd when he got nearly put to sleep,the ref should be suspended and a rematch put on

[fasteddie]

that ref wouldnt like to refund every fan in the echo arena and everyone who got it on t.v would he? well he should cause that was pathetic just like tony's interview at the end "if the ref wouldnt of stopped it when he did god help him" bellew was nearly asleep and the only one who looked like he needed help from god,if hes a student of the game learn to jab and string a few combo's together before the right cause the only punch he knows how to throw is the right hand he has no skills from what ive seen,he rely's to much on that right hand

[Bomber 1]

First things first thanks for the support, I was put in another fight with another guy who is highly avoided!! Like I keep sayin I'l fight anyone and will continue to prove myself as best I can.

Ovill McKenzie is a good fighter and everyone who hs faced him or worked with him in sparring has told me exactly that!! Big respect to the man.

As for the fight, I started really slow as I knew it was going to take some rounds to get to him but I didn't get the range with the jab, I had a game plan in place and felt I used it from round 3 onwards, The first knockdown I seen it coming and wasn't badly hurt but I'll be honest I didn't see the second knockdown punch coming, Great shot and he blinded me with the left hook first!! Clever, Experience allows him things like that!! I have not watched the fight back yet but felt I controlled the fight from the 3rd onwards, Like I say though I need to look back and study it!! I was getting to him through the sneaky body shots, They were zapping him everytime..

As for the knockdowns I was asked 4 questions after both knockdowns and answered every one and in the end told the ref to just get on with the fight, I feel when I dropped him heavily he was asked 3 things and done none of them!!! Walk to me, Put your hands up, Were are you?? I answered all them!! I then ran in and the first right hand landed and the shot was BIG!! His eyes glossed over and the ref jumped in before I could nail him again!! I know this sounds stupid but believe me its very different when your actually in there.When all is said and done though I am not the ref and cant be blamed if its stoppedtoo soon, I told Ovill the same thing, I know he was hurt but lets not forget if you dont throw back this is what happens we've seen it over and over again! Throw back and you have a case...

I'll say it again I'll box anyone and want the british title next, While im not happy with the first half of the performance im happier with the second half, I thank Arnie and Dean, Arnie got in my head and the guy is a GOOD coach regardless of what peoples opinions are of him.. He got the message over last night in a way that only me and him could understand and Im very grateful to him and my team!!!! THANK YOU xx

Finally thank you all for the suport it really appreciated both good and constructive, Your all enitled to your opinions regardless of wether I agree or not.. Have a good Christmas and thanks guys

[Bomber 1]

that stoppage was a load of shite would bellew be happy if that stupid pudendum of a ref stopped it in the 2nd when he got nearly put to sleep,the ref should be suspended and a rematch put on

Entitled to your opinion I'll happily take a rematch!!

[tht6]

Totally embarressing talk from Bomber there.

"I'm original, I'm the mother-fornicating best"

You will get spanked at a higher level you clown.

how can you call him a clown you tit :!:

he just provided us a great fight, he has ball's like an elephant im a big fan.

Great heart, but I've heard him talk like that before after a fight - I think it was against an African I had never heard of.

Thats his passion coming out you knob , do want him to say " super contest ol boy , Im not too bad am I ? "
Stick to marbles and conkers kid !!

[Asterix]

It was a bit reminiscent of Groves vs Anderson. A very good learning fight. Something obviously isn't right for Bellew at the moment, either the weight or the defence training, or maybe both. But he got the win and showed some good things.

Style-wise Cleverly would be a decent match up for Bellew, but I agree with pretty much everyone else that Bellew has things to correct before entertaining idea of the fight. Maybe Bellew should move up to cruiser instead, though. I doubt it'll ever happen, but Hide vs Bellew would be a lot of fun. I'd back Bellew to win.

[maninthemiddle]

Observing from TV, which is not anything like being there live, I had my doubts about McKenzie's response to the ref's checks following the knockdown. Maybe if he was Argentinian or something and there was a language barrier he could be forgiven but from "TV angles" he didn't seem to respond to anything the ref asked of him. He was given the benefit of the doubt but looked like he was going to make no reaction to Bellews onslaught and was "possibly" a sitting duck.
The ref cant really take chances at that stage. Whilst many on the forum "seem" to want to see people stopped on the canvas a referees priority is the safety of the boxer. Whether it was a good, bad or indifferent stoppage it will simply have been Phil Edwards "instant" opinion of the circumstances he saw at the split second..... bearng in mind the fighter concerned had just "recovered" from a monstrous left hook.
Whilst my comments seem to side with the ref, I had £20 on a McKenzie 2nd Rd stoppage. Something I think he would have achieved if he had attacked Bellew after his knockdown. Instead I don't think he landed another punch in the round!!

[taffytoon]

Tony

You say in the above statement "If you dont hit back that's it" Wel I am sorry but after you floored him he got up and you ran in with a big right, watch the fight it was not HUGE at all, you then went after him but the ref stopped the fight, his eyes were clear as a whistle no glazing at all (look at your eyes when you went down in the second, that is glazing yet you were allowed to carry on) The stoppage was an absolute joke and you will have no choice but to agree once you have seen the fight back. The main rule of boxing "Defend yourself at all times" well Ovill was defending himself and got caught with a lovely left, he had taken your HUGE rights throughout the fight and brushed them off in fairness (making a good argument to disagree with you saying "if I hit them flush they go to sleet" Ovill took EVEY one of your big right hands mate)

What I will say is how impressive your recovery was, that shot you took in the second would have put most LH away no doubt yet you got up and recoverd amazingly well "Well done to your conditioning" credit where credit is due. Lastly I feel that given the performance Ovill had put up all through the fight HE deserved EVERY chance to finish the round as there were only seconds left (you cleared quickly why would Ovill not? The left was sweet but not as hard as his right that he hit you with in the second)

The referee made a very very bad mistake that will do nothing for the credibility of fairness in the sport.

Your fight was exciting and you did make up for the last performance but once again a lot of negatives unfortunately. You can also take a lot from Cleverly performance as it add to the fact that "Everyone has a bad day and styles makes fights, his performance was as bad as yours against Bob.

[Bomber 1]

IMO your wrong Taffy, Yes I nailed him a few times with the right and the one that landed after the knockdown WAS huge I know I landed it and it sent a shock up my arm!! Hence the reason I went after him!! Answer this, Why didn't he respond to the ref's instructions after the knockdown?? I've seen it now!! I was quicker on the tactics after the knockdown than him and talking clearly to the ref!! My legs were far sturdier than his!! Im not getting into the Clev debate with you as it pointless!! Point is in my last 2 fights I am fighting highly avoided guys and thats a fact, Lets see who'll get in with Bob Ajisafe and Ovill McKenzie eh!!! I wish Clev luck and hope he continues to win... As for my fight I believe he was 1 more shot from a nasty one, I looked in his eys and so did that ref!!! I boxed and threw punches after my knockdowns, FACT!! He did not FACT!! end of for me mate, Like I say that my opinion.. You've got yours I've got mine

[GaryG]

I'll say it again I'll box anyone and want the british title next,

Crackin' fight last night, any more thoughts on going up to cruiserweight ?

[orbtastic]

I haven't watched the TV replay of the stoppage yet, but from where I was sitting, once the ref stopped it, McKenzie went all rubbery legged and ended up falling back in the ropes on the left hand side behind the ref? Looked a bit strange to me.

[Bomber 1]

I'll say it again I'll box anyone and want the british title next,

Crackin' fight last night, any more thoughts on going up to cruiserweight ?

Not yet mate, No excuses, Get hit by a puncher you go down, I've been doing it to peoplefor years, I got a taste of me own medicine really.. Im happier with round 3 onwards and need to start fights far quicker imho

[jBacca]

Right, Tony, don't have me going like that again you fvcker!

Great fight for the neutral, horrible as a fan. Thought you took control from the third onwards, and were heading for a win, but I do feel the ref ruined the result.

If the ref had let it go on another 10 seconds, you'd have probably finished it emphatically, but he didn't and people are going to remember the fight for what appeared to be a premature stoppage. Not your fault at all, just a shame really because you're performance in getting back into the fight was spot on. Was worried the knockdowns were going to get into your hear and you were going to load up on the rights again like against Ajisafe, but all credit for sticking to your boxing skills which you showed you have.

I know if you get hit flush there's a good chance you're going down, but it's worrying that its happened three times now in two fights, especially considering how sturdy you chin has always been in the past. Do you think it could partially be to the weight?

[Bomber 1]

Could be mate?? Main thing to work on i defence, You cant go down without taking clean shots so I'll work on that first and foremost mate..

[orbtastic]

Your legs looked ok, I think you were up before the count started on the first KD and the second you were up quickly and legs not rubbery. Great shot that put you down though.

[Bomber 1]

Your legs looked ok, I think you were up before the count started on the first KD and the second you were up quickly and legs not rubbery. Great shot that put you down though.

I agree although I didn't seethe second one coming, Part & parcel I suppose..

[taffytoon]

IMO your wrong Taffy, Yes I nailed him a few times with the right and the one that landed after the knockdown WAS huge I know I landed it and it sent a shock up my arm!! Hence the reason I went after him!! Answer this, Why didn't he respond to the ref's instructions after the knockdown?? I've seen it now!! I was quicker on the tactics after the knockdown than him and talking clearly to the ref!! My legs were far sturdier than his!! Im not getting into the Clev debate with you as it pointless!! Point is in my last 2 fights I am fighting highly avoided guys and thats a fact, Lets see who'll get in with Bob Ajisafe and Ovill McKenzie eh!!! I wish Clev luck and hope he continues to win... As for my fight I believe he was 1 more shot from a nasty one, I looked in his eys and so did that ref!!! I boxed and threw punches after my knockdowns, FACT!! He did not FACT!! end of for me mate, Like I say that my opinion.. You've got yours I've got mine

We will have to agree to disagree mucker ;;-) All I'm saying is that you were given a chance to come back from a big knock down and Ovill was not, in sport the referee has to show no sign of favourtism. It would not have mattered to me if Ovill grabbed you for the remaining 15 seconds to get through the round. After seeing the huge rights he took I am sure he would have survived the round and been slippery in the last. I will say it again last night from round 3 onwards you took control and did really well, the left hook was an amazing punch from nowhere and even I applauded it The Cleverly comment was said as a compliment to you Tony, judging on both performances I now feel it would not be too ridiculas to see the fight happening, you proved you take a big shot and your recovery was unbelievable. I know it is hard to comprehend but please take these comments from me as compliments as that is how they were written.

Good luck in the future

Taffy

[hurlock]

your left hand is a little low but your chin's tucked down.you got hit on the head & couldnt control your leg's defence has nothing to do with it.
i thought ovil couldnt really deal with your height etc. & your jab was good & if you double it more you'll openings will be there.again the guy was finishing on the other hand right & got success early, you got up & turnt it to a battle of who had the bigger heart say no more.

[hurlock]

let's face fact's, cleverley is a year or two infront & even still frank just cant pull out dates & challenges it can become a waiting game & the longer bomber stay's down at 12-7 the worse it will become, unless he gets moved along quickly he should move up. 28 aint old for a cruiser he has plenty of time & could be waisting it on a division he's basically allready outgrown.

[Old bones Ian]

I still can't get over the fact you got up from that 2nd knockdown, in slow motion you looked 'out' on the way down, and then just got back up once you hit the deck.

This pro game is hard isn't it.

[TheCobra]

Fair play to Tony for coming on here and giving his side of it. I still thought the stoppage was too soon, whether McKenzie was ready to go, we will never know cos he never got afforded the opportunity to try and get through the round. I am sick of hearing people justifying these bad stoppages on Warren cards, something needs doing about it. You could see the Shinfields and McKenzies reactions, that said it all to me, typical Warren fighter stoppage.

[King Tubby]

Stopped too soon for me, but Tony's quality for putting his case on here.

[whiskey]

Weight drained, defence work etc etc.

Let's give Ovil his dues here - he came and gave it a good go and even in defeat, he gave it his best and provided Bellew's sternest test to date.

If Bomber wishes to improve and learn, then Ovil taught him some valuable lessons last night and it's better to learn now, than pay for it later when you dont have the answers.

The best fighters are forged in the hottest enviroments and Ovil brought the heat last night.

Well done to both lads.

[29sek]

It looked to me, as if Bellew was in there looking for that one big punch but after the knockdowns started using his jab & boxing skills & started to control the fight. I think this was a good learning fight for him, if he sets up his punches more & tightens up his defence then we could have a really good fighter.

[jBacca]

It looked to me, as if Bellew was in there looking for that one big punch but after the knockdowns started using his jab & boxing skills & started to control the fight. I think this was a good learning fight for him, if he sets up his punches more & tightens up his defence then we could have a really good fighter.

x2
i was very impressed with tony after the first 2 rds at the time i was thinking why doesnt ovil go for it more. but thinking back i now think it was the fact that tony got his boxing together and ovil wasnt allowed to dictate matters ovil is an awkward customer and after the first couple of rounds tony had him fathomed out. bad stoppage but the writing was on the wall. but that still shouldnt take away from the fact that it was poor as was the smith one i thought (but not as bad as this one) but it does seem the way with fwanks fighters. it seems almost like the refs are at old trafford and the home lads are man u at times

How did your night go, Billy?