New Season...HW or MW?

[allworld80]

Heavyweight - Everyone knows who they are. This division has been run multiple times, the last time being about a year and a half ago(?)

Fighter list added.

Middleweight - compiled a quick list below. You'll note that there are some fighters who appeared in the WW season (Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, etc). Those fighters, like many fighters, have ratings in mulitple weight classes so they are eligible for a MW season. Middleweights were used in part of an abbreviated 154-168 season, and it was about a year and a half ago as well.

Please vote either HW or MW, or other and list your preference.

HW

Adamick, Jimmy
Akinwande, Henry
Ali, Muhammad
Arias, George
Arreola, Chris
Austin, Ray

Baer, Buddy
Baer, Max
Baski, Joe
Barrett, Monte
Batchelder, Danny
Bean, Vaughn
Beck, Owen
Berbick, Trevor
Bidenko, Taras
Biggs, Tyrell
Blin, Juergen
Bobick, Duane
Bonavena, Oscar
Boswell, Cedric
Botha, Francois
Bowe, Riddick
Boystov, Denis
Braddock, James
Brewster, Lamon
Briggs, Shannon
Bruno, Frank
Bugner, Joe
Byrd, Chris

Carnera, Primo
Chagaev, Ruslan
Chambers, Eddie
Chapman, JD
Charles, Ezzard
Chisora, Derek
Chuvalo, George
Cleroux, Robert
Cobb, Randall
Coetzee, Gerrie
Cooney, Gerry
Corbett, James J

Dempsey, Jack
Dimitrenko, Alexander
Dokes, Michael
Dokiwari, Duncan
Douglas, Buster

Ellis, Jimmy
Esch, Eric
Estrada, Jason
Etienne, Cliff

Farr, Tommy
Fields, Tye
Firpo, Luis
Folley, Zora
Foreman, George
Frazier, Joe

Galento, Tony
Gardner, Jack
Godfrey, George
Golota, Andrew
Gonzalez, Jorge Luis
Grant, Michael
Guinn, Dominic

Hamas, Steve
Hamer, Tor
Harrison, Audley
Haye, David
Hoffmann, Timo
Holmes, Larry

Ibeabuchi, Ike
Ibragimov, Sultan
Izon, David

Jackson, Peter
Jeanette, Joe
Jeffries, James
Johansson, Ingemar
Johnson, Jack
Johnson, Kirk

Kilimanjaro, Proud
King, Demetrice
Klitschko, Vitali
Klitschko, Wladimir
Krasniqi, Luan

LaStarza, Roland
Lawrence, Zuri
LeDoux, Scott
Leapai, Alex
Lewis, Lennox
Liston, Sonny
Louis, Joe

Lyakhovich, Serguei
Lyle, Ron

Machen, Eddie
Madden, Bartley
Marciano, Rocky
Martin, Leotis
Maskaev, Oleg
Mathis, Buster
McBride, Kevin
McCall, Oliver
McCline, Jameel
McVey, Sam
Meehan, Kali
Mercer, Ray
Mesi, joe
Minto, Brian
Miske, Billy
Moore, Archie
Morrison, Tommy

Nielsen, Brian
Norkus, Charlie
Norton, Ken

Page, Greg
Peralta, Gregorio
Peter, Samuel
Povetkin, Alexander

Quarry, Jerry

Rahman, Hasim
Ruddock, Donovan
Ruiz, John

Sam, Sinan Samil
Sanders, Corrie
Satterfield, Bob
Savarese, Lou
Schmeling, Max
Schulz, Axel
Seldon, Bruce
Sharkey, Jack
Sharkey, Tom
Shavers, Earnie
Sosnowski, Albert
Sprott, Michael
Stewart, Alex
Sullivan, John L

Terrell, Ernie
Thomas, Pinklon
Tillis, James
Tua, David
Tubbs, Tony
Tucker, Tony
Tunney, Gene
Tyson, Mike

Valuev, Nikolay
Virchis, Vladimir

Walcott, Jersey Joe
Whitaker, Lance
Willard, Jess
Williams, Cleveland
Williams, Danny
Wills, Harry
Witherspoon, Tim

Young, Jimmy

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MW

Abraham, Arthur
Allen, Robert
Angelo, George
Antufermo, Vito
Apostoli, Freddie
Archer, Joey
Armstrong, Gene

Bahama, Yama
Barker, Darren
Barkley, Iran
Basora, Jose
Benn, Nigel
Benton, George
Benvenuti, Nino
Booker, Eddie
Briscoe, Bennie
Broulliard, Lou
Burley, Charley

Casey, Hank
Castellani, Rocky
Castillejo, Javier
Castro, Jorge
Cerdan, Marcel
Cherifi, Hacine
Corro, Hugo

Darcy, Les
Demers, Sebastian
Dempsey, Jack (NP)
Duddy, John

Eastman, Howard
Echols, Antwun
Edouard, Daniel
Eubank, Chris

Fitzsimmons, Bob
Flowers, Tiger
Fullmer, Gene

Gans, Panama Joe
Gardiner, George
Geale, Daniel
Gevor, Khoren
Giambra, Joey
Giardello, Joey
Gibbons, Mike
Gibbs, Willie
Golovkin, Gennady
Graham, Herol
Grant, Otis
Graziano, Rocky
Greb, Harry
Green, Julio Cesar
Griffin, Randy

Hagler, Marvin
Hamsho, Mustafa
Hank, Henry
Holmes, Keith
Hopkins, Bernard

Ikeke, Kingsley

Jackson, John David
Jackson, Julian
Jacobs, Daniel
Jantuah, Kofi
Johnson, Reggie
Jones, Gorilla
Jones Jr, Roy
Joppy, William

Kalambay, Sumbu
Ketchel, Stanley

Lamotta, Jake
Lee, Andy
Lemieux, David
Levine, Artie
Lockett, Gary
Lorenzo, Giovanni

Macklin, Matthew
Manfredo Jr, Peter
Martinez, Sergio
Masoe, Maselino
McCallum, Mike
McClellan, Gerald
McCoy, Charles
Mendoza, Tito
Minter, Alan
Miranda, Edison
Mitchell, Young
Monzon, Carlos
Mora, Sergio

N'Jikam, Hassan N'Dam
Nunn, Michael

Overlin, Ken

Papke, Billy
Papp, Laszlo
Pavlik, Kelly
Pirog, Dmitry

Quillin, Peter

Sands, Dave
Schenk, Bert
Schoell, Frankie
Schols, Gustav
Simon, Harry
Smith, Harry
Smith, Ishe
Smith, Jeff
Soliman, Sam
Spinks, Cory
Steele, Freddie
Sturm, Felix
Sylvester, Sebastian

Takehara, Shinji
Tate, Frank
Taylor, Jermain
Taylor, Quincy
Tiger, Dick
Toney, James
Tunero, Kid
Turpin, Randy

Valdez, Rodrigo
Vasquez, Julio Cesar
Velazco, Hector Javier

Walker, Mickey
Webb, Ellsworth
Williams, Holman
Williams, Paul
Wright, Winky

Yarosz, Teddy

Zale, Tony
Zbik, Sebastian

[Crease]

My vote is: Heavyweight

It is the most exciting division... I know that the Middles haven't been done yet, but we are only atfer having the likes of Robinson and Leonard in the Welter season...

The 2 divisions are just too similar, give or take a few fighters.

It's time fora fresh change... It's time for the heavies.

[Crease]

And, with the amount of Heavies available,Mangers could even have 3 boxers.

[kevo]

Middleweight.

[Deno1986]

I'd say MW as it hasn't been done before and maybe do HW the following season.

[JDC]

MW seems the most progressive after FW & WW

[Crease]

MW seems the most progressive after FW & WW

I disagree.

I would aslo rule out the Middleweights, because a lot of the Welter fighters would reappear again.

using the same fighters in 2 consecutive seasons is not the way forward.

If the Middleweight seqson is voted in, it's going to be similar to the season that has just finished...

[kevo]

I still say we leave the top fighters out of the draft pick, maybe offer them as tournament prizes later on in the season.

[Crease]

I still say we leave the top fighters out of the draft pick

What fighters are you referring to Kevo? Robinson and Monzon I preume...
But even them two are not unbeatable.

[kevo]

I still say we leave the top fighters out of the draft pick

What fighters are you referring to Kevo? Robinson and Monzon I preume...
But even them two are not unbeatable.

They're not unbeatable, but they're also very hard to beat. Leaving out the top fighters levels the playing field and means more people will have a chance at holding a belt.

(not sure who the top rated fighters are, you'd have to check the game stats.)

[allworld80]

How about just leaving the fighters that appeared in the WW season out? Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, Griffith...

[kevo]

Excellent idea Commish!

[allworld80]

I've removed them from the list. I'm going to go ahead and throw up a HW list too in a minute.

[allworld80]

HW list added.

[armageto]

How about just leaving the fighters that appeared in the WW season out? Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, Griffith...

Just leave them as CPU opponents only? If you can't find a human controlled opponent, you will always have a top option to fight as a cpu fighter....

['Frilla]

Middleweight.

[Crease]

HW list added.

There's a fantastic amount of talent in that Heavyweight division.

[Crease]

Why is there no:

David Haye,
Ezzard Charles,
Archie Moore,
Gene Tunney,
Soony Liston,
Floyd Patterson,
Jimmy Bivins,
Henry Cooper,
Matt Skelton, (and yet Sprott & Chisora is included)
Nino Valdez

at Heavyweight?

[Crease]

What about Ray Close for MW?

[jBacca]

The most people want MW, so I'm happy for this.

[allworld80]

Why is there no:

David Haye,
Ezzard Charles,
Archie Moore,
Gene Tunney,
Soony Liston,
Floyd Patterson,
Jimmy Bivins,
Henry Cooper,
Matt Skelton, (and yet Sprott & Chisora is included)
Nino Valdez

at Heavyweight?

It was a quick list I threw together. Those and a few more would be on any final list, if HW is indeed chosen.

['Frilla]

Crease is such a noob.

[allworld80]

What about Ray Close for MW?

Only has a rating at SMW in the sim.

[Crease]

Crease is such a noob.

By noticing that a half dozen good boxers are not on the Heavyweight list?
You are a buffoon and an idiot.

['Frilla]

Crease is such a noob.

By noticing that a half dozen good boxers are not on the Heavyweight list?
You are a buffoon and an idiot.

TF threw a "Quick list" together moron, it was not anything official, now STFU and stop being annoying.