Joe G wrote:Thanks for Comments , the run is now 41 unbeaten with 23 kos 12 title fights (5 European 6 British 1 English) all title fights been stoppages or knockouts apart from Macklin last time out !
Happy New Year !
im thinking of investing in some pad's & i'll just blow you all out the water by training pacquio to beat mayweather & win the p4p greatest & ring belt
dbflex wrote:I'm a big fan of Joe and if it was over the last 3 years fair enough but Murray and Macklin have had better years than 2010 and are both very talented naturally. I believe Shannon squeaks it because who expected big things for Arron, Vassell and, most significantly, Matt Hattton? His raw material was clearly weaker than Joe's but his trio have all improved THIS YEAR (Murray et al have improved over their time with Joe but not this year especially) , won rather than defended titles and each had the finest year - by far - of his career. Gallagher in 09 but for me 10 was Bob's year.
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dbflex wrote:I'm a big fan of Joe and if it was over the last 3 years fair enough but Murray and Macklin have had better years than 2010 and are both very talented naturally. I believe Shannon squeaks it because who expected big things for Arron, Vassell and, most significantly, Matt Hattton? His raw material was clearly weaker than Joe's but his trio have all improved THIS YEAR (Murray et al have improved over their time with Joe but not this year especially) , won rather than defended titles and each had the finest year - by far - of his career. Gallagher in 09 but for me 10 was Bob's year.
Not sure I get the winning titles point, DB, as Murray, Macklin and Crolla all won titles this year also, winning a title back is still a win even if you didn't lose it in the ring. Denton, like Macklin, was a very solid amateur and Denton turned over with an ABA medal burning a hole in his pocket, the backing of a major promoter, and is now with another one, and he is extremely talented. Both Arron and Crolla have similarities in that they were having a tough time for one reason or another and have had brilliant years.
That said, we've covered all bases and have a feature on Arron, Bob Shannon and Tommy G on its way through later tonight. There's plenty of acknowledgement for Bob's brilliant 2010 in that one as well as a look back over the gym's past run of titles.
Macklin defeated a poor import sub for his belt when Barker withdrew, and was better amateur than Denton incidentally. Murray beat an undersized Buckland for his but then beat the dangerous Kudriavtsev.
My key point is most observers felt Murray and Macklin were on the fringes of world class at the beginning of 2010 - given their subseqient opposition they would have been expected to maintain their positions. They have not lost ground nor have they taken a major leap forward. Conversely, who would have picked Shannon's trio to make such major strides last year? I do not recall anyone predicting this, especially not Hatton's rise.
Both excellent trainers but your judging who had the better 2010 not the superior overall, and Bob's fighters, in my opinion, made the more marked progress.
Joe G wrote:Thanks for Comments , the run is now 41 unbeaten with 23 kos 12 title fights (5 European 6 British 1 English) all title fights been stoppages or knockouts apart from Macklin last time out !
Happy New Year !
Thats an awesome record - well done on being trainer of the year
Joe G wrote:Thanks for Comments , the run is now 41 unbeaten with 23 kos 12 title fights (5 European 6 British 1 English) all title fights been stoppages or knockouts apart from Macklin last time out !
Happy New Year !
Hosea burton got beat by GB boxer ogogo in Aba final ! The unbeaten run though is purely all professional fights not amateurs but my 2 other amateurs won national titles last year !
Well done Joe Gallagher, certainly a valuable asset to British boxing!
Out of interest, has Rob McCracken ever won that award? If not, then he certainly should have been given that award before Joe Gallagher (and thats no way intended to be disrespectful to Joe Gallagher).
liamlion wrote:Well done Joe Gallagher, certainly a valuable asset to [size=150] Out of British boxing!
Out of interest, has Rob McCracken ever won that award? If not, then he certainly should have been given that award before Joe Gallagher (and thats no way intended to be disrespectful to Joe Gallagher).
Out Of interest the award only a boxing site award not the bbbc award award
Time is a great thing and imo Arnie Farnell will without doubt be Manchesters top coach,in 2 years time he should have established world champions and he'll thoroughly deserve it.people go on about unbeaten runs the majority of the fights are against journeymen and most top coaches who have top fighters can accomplish undeafeted runs like so, its when you step up to title level a coach should be judged and not only in the winning,how to bounce back after defeat takes every bit as much skill.2011/12 big years for big arnie imo
liamlion wrote:Well done Joe Gallagher, certainly a valuable asset to [size=150] Out of British boxing!
Out of interest, has Rob McCracken ever won that award? If not, then he certainly should have been given that award before Joe Gallagher (and thats no way intended to be disrespectful to Joe Gallagher).
Out Of interest the award only a boxing site award not the bbbc award award
billy nelson wrote:Time is a great thing and imo Arnie Farnell will without doubt be Manchesters top coach,in 2 years time he should have established world champions and he'll thoroughly deserve it.people go on about unbeaten runs the majority of the fights are against journeymen and most top coaches who have top fighters can accomplish undeafeted runs like so, its when you step up to title level a coach should be judged and not only in the winning,how to bounce back after defeat takes every bit as much skill.2011/12 big years for big arnie imo
Eeek, sounds like someone's a bit bitter about Joe's success. Give the guy some credit. As for Farnell, a LOT to prove for me.
billy nelson wrote:Time is a great thing and imo Arnie Farnell will without doubt be Manchesters top coach,in 2 years time he should have established world champions and he'll thoroughly deserve it.people go on about unbeaten runs the majority of the fights are against journeymen and most top coaches who have top fighters can accomplish undeafeted runs like so, its when you step up to title level a coach should be judged and not only in the winning,how to bounce back after defeat takes every bit as much skill.2011/12 big years for big arnie imo
Eeek, sounds like someone's a bit bitter about Joe's success. Give the guy some credit. As for Farnell, a LOT to prove for me.
Not at all cobra why would i be bitter at joes sucsess when hes not accomplished what i have? rather silly statement i think?I base my thoughts on what ive seen in arnies gym and the reaction he gets from his fighters.joes doing really well with john murry who imo is a very good fighter although his next few fights will tell us so much about john (world class or not)
billy nelson wrote:Time is a great thing and imo Arnie Farnell will without doubt be Manchesters top coach,in 2 years time he should have established world champions and he'll thoroughly deserve it.people go on about unbeaten runs the majority of the fights are against journeymen and most top coaches who have top fighters can accomplish undeafeted runs like so, its when you step up to title level a coach should be judged and not only in the winning,how to bounce back after defeat takes every bit as much skill.2011/12 big years for big arnie imo
Eeek, sounds like someone's a bit bitter about Joe's success. Give the guy some credit. As for Farnell, a LOT to prove for me.
Not at all cobra why would i be bitter at joes sucsess when hes not accomplished what i have? rather silly statement i think?I base my thoughts on what ive seen in arnies gym and the reaction he gets from his fighters.joes doing really well with john murry who imo is a very good fighter although his next few fights will tell us so much about john (world class or not)
Ok then, let me rephrase, maybe you are bitter that he won it when you feel you should have? Most awards are silly anyway, like you said world titles are the most important thing, not unbeaten runs. So therefore you should be happy with what you've achieved whether you win an award or not! Your post definitely came across a bit like trying to take some credit away from Joe G and I don't understand that.
For some reason Joe Gallagher seems to get a bit of a hard time off some people, his fighters are beating who's put in front of them and coming on nicely. Farnell, everyone says great things about his gym, but I'm just a little worried from some of the fights I've seen about his fighter's tactics, gameplans, what he says in the corner etc. It seems quite a bold statement to say in a roundabout way that he will 'without doubt' be ahead of Joe G in 2 years time.
TheCobra wrote:
Eeek, sounds like someone's a bit bitter about Joe's success. Give the guy some credit. As for Farnell, a LOT to prove for me.
Not at all cobra why would i be bitter at joes sucsess when hes not accomplished what i have? rather silly statement i think?I base my thoughts on what ive seen in arnies gym and the reaction he gets from his fighters.joes doing really well with john murry who imo is a very good fighter although his next few fights will tell us so much about john (world class or not)
Ok then, let me rephrase, maybe you are bitter that he won it when you feel you should have? Most awards are silly anyway, like you said world titles are the most important thing, not unbeaten runs. So therefore you should be happy with what you've achieved whether you win an award or not! Your post definitely came across a bit like trying to take some credit away from Joe G and I don't understand that.
For some reason Joe Gallagher seems to get a bit of a hard time off some people, his fighters are beating who's put in front of them and coming on nicely. Farnell, everyone says great things about his gym, but I'm just a little worried from some of the fights I've seen about his fighter's tactics, gameplans, what he says in the corner etc. It seems quite a bold statement to say in a roundabout way that he will 'without doubt' be ahead of Joe G in 2 years time.
Like i say mate i dont care about awards for me, all the best to joe in winning hes obviously doing a very good job.But my experience tells me arnie will acheive more in time.time will tell,but bitter im not of that you can be assured!
TheCobra wrote:
Eeek, sounds like someone's a bit bitter about Joe's success. Give the guy some credit. As for Farnell, a LOT to prove for me.
Not at all cobra why would i be bitter at joes sucsess when hes not accomplished what i have? rather silly statement i think?I base my thoughts on what ive seen in arnies gym and the reaction he gets from his fighters.joes doing really well with john murry who imo is a very good fighter although his next few fights will tell us so much about john (world class or not)
Ok then, let me rephrase, maybe you are bitter that he won it when you feel you should have? Most awards are silly anyway, like you said world titles are the most important thing, not unbeaten runs. So therefore you should be happy with what you've achieved whether you win an award or not! Your post definitely came across a bit like trying to take some credit away from Joe G and I don't understand that.
For some reason Joe Gallagher seems to get a bit of a hard time off some people, his fighters are beating who's put in front of them and coming on nicely. Farnell, everyone says great things about his gym, but I'm just a little worried from some of the fights I've seen about his fighter's tactics, gameplans, what he says in the corner etc. It seems quite a bold statement to say in a roundabout way that he will 'without doubt' be ahead of Joe G in 2 years time.
Records are for DJs m8 its the performances that count. Im better than Joe now.
billy nelson wrote:Not at all cobra why would i be bitter at joes sucsess when hes not accomplished what i have? rather silly statement i think?I base my thoughts on what ive seen in arnies gym and the reaction he gets from his fighters.joes doing really well with john murry who imo is a very good fighter although his next few fights will tell us so much about john (world class or not)
Ok then, let me rephrase, maybe you are bitter that he won it when you feel you should have? Most awards are silly anyway, like you said world titles are the most important thing, not unbeaten runs. So therefore you should be happy with what you've achieved whether you win an award or not! Your post definitely came across a bit like trying to take some credit away from Joe G and I don't understand that.
For some reason Joe Gallagher seems to get a bit of a hard time off some people, his fighters are beating who's put in front of them and coming on nicely. Farnell, everyone says great things about his gym, but I'm just a little worried from some of the fights I've seen about his fighter's tactics, gameplans, what he says in the corner etc. It seems quite a bold statement to say in a roundabout way that he will 'without doubt' be ahead of Joe G in 2 years time.
Records are for DJs m8 its the performances that count. Im better than Joe now.
Is there some sort of beef here that we don't know about? Very arrogant to say that really.
Scrap wrote:Give them 6 years there Elbows will be Fucked
I wanted to get into training myself. Only problem, my fighters would have to train in five minute bursts on alternating days and would not have a chance in hell of getting me at the weekends, or on fight nights. I'm hoping to get Oscar De La Hoya at some point, he's running out of options.
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