Corrales!! NOOOO!! Ricky Hatton V Junior Witter please

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 06:11

blown up lightweights or old fighter or nit, prior to Ndou they are still sterner tests than what junior has been facing mate.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 17 Jun 2005, 06:35

Yeah Id agree that Witter's record isnt particularly impressive.

However, ive just found this comment by Mark Hobson in relation to David Haye, and is basically what I would say about Hatton's opponents - pre-Kosta Tzysu.

"Good names but if you look at their records going into the fights, they were shot to bits," Hobson said

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 17 Jun 2005, 06:40

Although he ran a lot against Judah, you can still say he faced a tougher opponent waaaaaaay before Hatton. Although Hatton would out work Witter IMO I think he would expose Hatton against a slick cutie.

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 07:00

thats debatalbe without the knocdowns Witter would hav l ost, Cotto and mitchell controlled the fight all the way through more or less not just for 4 rounds.

Strange you accuse other people of being biased when your posts themselves are obviously not that neutral either.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 17 Jun 2005, 07:10

search wrote:The fact is, since Witter is too dangerous for Hatton, Hatton fans like J are saying that Witter doesn't "deserve" to fight Hatton. Nevermind that he is British, European and Commonwealth champion, Hattons biggest domestic rival who many think would spark Hatton and who beat Ndou betteer than Cotto or Mitchell did.

Biased garbage. Anybody who says Witter doesn't "deserve" a shot at Hatton is a Hatton nuthugger

If you're looking for 'deserve' then you have to look at who Hatton will fight otherwise - if he goes for Pedersen II on a repeated basis then you have a point. If he's in with Corrales, Harris et al then Witter doesn't 'deserve' the shot any more than the next man.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 17 Jun 2005, 07:12

J wrote:thats debatalbe without the knocdowns Witter would hav l ost, Cotto and mitchell controlled the fight all the way through more or less not just for 4 rounds.

Strange you accuse other people of being biased when your posts themselves are obviously not that neutral either.

Surely knockdowns are part of the game?

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 07:18

of course im not detracitng fomr Junior beaitng Lovemore what im saying is he didnt contorl the fight all the way though like is being made out.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 17 Jun 2005, 07:25

Have to admit, while it might not appeal to Showtime, a Hatton/Witter showdown would set the UK buzzing like nothing we've seen since Benn/Eubank - PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And also have to admit, if I were in FW's position, it's not a fight I'd be looking to make in a hurry either.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 17 Jun 2005, 07:31

MightyWarrior wrote:Have to admit, while it might not appeal to Showtime, a Hatton/Witter showdown would set the UK buzzing like nothing we've seen since Benn/Eubank - PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And also have to admit, if I were in FW's position, it's not a fight I'd be looking to make in a hurry either.

MW, I actually disagree. It would set the boxing community buzzing but Witter doesn't have anything like the visibility of Hatton, Benn and Eubank or Lewis and Bruno. This is probably in no small part due to FW and him not being the best of mates. Whilst as a boxing fan I'd love to see this fight Witter's had one decent showing at US / world level and that won't have registered massively.

A Witter fight would only be made if Hatton was looking for a payday after losing or if Witter managed to get himself a big belt.

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 07:36

what for fucks sake

can you not converse properly?

I said it was debatable.

Cotto was 117-11 on one of the judges scorecards its open to interpetation as we know. Mitchell was 118-110 on one judge and 117-112 for aonther so fornicate knows what fight you were watching.

Witter did not control the whole fight and towards the latter rounds was getitng a bit of a pasting until he found a beautiful shot that stopped Ndou in his tracks.

Im just saying he didnt command Ndou any better than the other guys.

which is fair enough comment.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 17 Jun 2005, 07:37

Coconut wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:Have to admit, while it might not appeal to Showtime, a Hatton/Witter showdown would set the UK buzzing like nothing we've seen since Benn/Eubank - PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

And also have to admit, if I were in FW's position, it's not a fight I'd be looking to make in a hurry either.
MW, I actually disagree. It would set the boxing community buzzing but Witter doesn't have anything like the visibility of Hatton, Benn and Eubank or Lewis and Bruno. This is probably in no small part due to FW and him not being the best of mates. Whilst as a boxing fan I'd love to see this fight Witter's had one decent showing at US / world level and that won't have registered massively.

A Witter fight would only be made if Hatton was looking for a payday after losing or if Witter managed to get himself a big belt.

Yes I guess that's true - let's hope ITV can swing things round a bit

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 07:59

more name calling well done.

i left that out cos you had already quoted a card of 115-113.
fornicate me you havent got the brains you born with .

suggest you take this test you twat.

http://www.holymoly.co.uk/personality.html

apologies ot the rest of you, ive tried to be civil with this tosspot.

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 08:05

fact is you dont know me from fornicating adam mate.

so keep your unfounded and abusive comments to yourself.

you are entitled to think i know fornicate all. That you perogative, but one suggests I wouldt have the won the prediction league nor have written 50 odd articles over the past 16 months for a well known and respected british based website and they send me to various fights to cover them if I knew fornicate all they wouldnt do that.

Would they .

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:06

search wrote:
J wrote:what for fucks sake

can you not converse properly?

I said it was debatable.

Cotto was 117-11 on one of the judges scorecards its open to interpetation as we know. Mitchell was 118-110 on one judge and 117-112 for aonther so fornicate knows what fight you were watching.

Witter did not control the whole fight and towards the latter rounds was getitng a bit of a pasting until he found a beautiful shot that stopped Ndou in his tracks.

Im just saying he didnt command Ndou any better than the other guys.

which is fair enough comment.
No you said they controlled Ndou throughout. Nice to se you left out the judge who scored the Mitchell ndou fight 115-113. And you take ONE judges scorecard from the Cotto Ndou fight while the other two had it 115-113. I don't think you even saw the Mitchell Ndou fight but Mitchell won it 115-113 at best. The Cotto fight was also 115-113 but clearer for Cotto. Barry mcGuigan had Ndou beating Mitchell and Darke had it a draw I believe. I can't rememeber who it was but Watt or McCrory had Cotto winning 115-113.

Neither of them could knock Ndou down like Witter did and Witter wasn't in as much trouble as Mitchell was and wasn't getting caught late like much more than Cotto was.

You can't even admit that Witter beat Ndou much more convincingly than Cotto or Mitchell did.

What an idiot

The fact is that when Witter fought a true title holder he stank the place out, he then fought 15 opponents of dubious calibre, then beats NDou in a close fight.

You are shouting about Witters win over Ndou, but Ndou has NEVER beaten a world class fighter.

On the other hand Hatton has just stopped the NO1 man. Out fought him, out punched him and stopped him.

Hatton is the best in the WORLD mate, he has nothing to prove against Witter.

However, if Witter can pick up a decent title, Hatton may be in a generous mood and give him a shot, so Witter can finally earn a very good payday.

Other than that Witter has done nothing to earn a shot at the real world champion.

You only think he deserves a shot becasue he resides in the same country and you perceive some kind of domestic dispute as to superiority.

The fact is there is no dispute, Hatton is better and Witter could not live with him.

It sounds to me that Witter and his fans a becoming a little bitter and jealous.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:20

In addition what did Hatton do to "earn" his shot?

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 08:22

well if ndou qualifies Witter then Tackie qualifies Hatton.

really this is rather tedious, still witter fans gripe about hatton rather than worrying about their man is gonna do.

good luck to em both i say.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:22

search wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:
search wrote: No you said they controlled Ndou throughout. Nice to se you left out the judge who scored the Mitchell ndou fight 115-113. And you take ONE judges scorecard from the Cotto Ndou fight while the other two had it 115-113. I don't think you even saw the Mitchell Ndou fight but Mitchell won it 115-113 at best. The Cotto fight was also 115-113 but clearer for Cotto. Barry mcGuigan had Ndou beating Mitchell and Darke had it a draw I believe. I can't rememeber who it was but Watt or McCrory had Cotto winning 115-113.

Neither of them could knock Ndou down like Witter did and Witter wasn't in as much trouble as Mitchell was and wasn't getting caught late like much more than Cotto was.

You can't even admit that Witter beat Ndou much more convincingly than Cotto or Mitchell did.

What an idiot
The fact is that when Witter fought a true title holder he stank the place out, he then fought 15 opponents of dubious calibre, then beats NDou in a close fight.

You are shouting about Witters win over Ndou, but Ndou has NEVER beaten a world class fighter.

On the other hand Hatton has just stopped the NO1 man. Out fought him, out punched him and stopped him.

Hatton is the best in the WORLD mate, he has nothing to prove against Witter.

However, if Witter can pick up a decent title, Hatton may be in a generous mood and give him a shot, so Witter can finally earn a very good payday.

Other than that Witter has done nothing to earn a shot at the real world champion.

You only think he deserves a shot becasue he resides in the same country and you perceive some kind of domestic dispute as to superiority.

The fact is there is no dispute, Hatton is better and Witter could not live with him.

It sounds to me that Witter and his fans a becoming a little bitter and jealous.
OK.

Ndou is better than anyone on Hattons record bar Tszyu. Hatton DID beat Tszyu but that doesn't mean he can beat Witter and it certainly doesn't mean he is the best at 140 with the likes of Mayweather, Cotto, Harris, Witter etc.

TO say there is no dispute whether or not Hatton would beat Witter is once again stupid. If you really believe that there is "no dispute", then you are also an idiot. It may be YOUR opinion, but MANY MANY people feel differently.

THe fact that Witter is the hold the British title, the commonwealth title and the european title alone make him a credible opponent. for any lgiht welter. Coupled with his power and win over a credible performer in Ndou mean that he is without doubt a worthy adversary for at 140 pounder.

Hatton would never have got away with the tacitics he used against Tszyu in a USA ring too and don't forget that Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 years and is 36.

How can you say that the BRITISH, EURPOEAN and COMMONWEALTH champion doesn't "deserve" a shot at a man who has, let's be honest, been ducking him for years and who has proved himself as a credible opponent in America.

N'dou is no better an opponent than Ben Tackie was for Hatton.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:28

search wrote:
J wrote:well if ndou qualifies Witter then Tackie qualifies Hatton.

Well then how does Witter not "deserve a shot" then?

Check-mate

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 08:28

If you actually read my posts i do actually say Hatotn was lucky to get a shot or words to that effect.

perhaps if you read my posts instead of just running your mouth off, we could have a decent discussion.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:30

Tackie is a world class punchbag. N'Dou is rock solid too but at least has some skills to go with it. They're not peas from the same pod.

But hey Ricky did just beat Kostya so he's the man. I just hope Witter gets a big chance soon, he'll never be better than he is right now. A couple of spectacular blowouts on ITV would just set up the Hatton fight nicely.

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 08:30

liamlion wrote:
search wrote:
J wrote:well if ndou qualifies Witter then Tackie qualifies Hatton.

Well then how does Witter not "deserve a shot" then?
Check-mate

not really hatton has the IBF and linear right to the title and number one postion.

that i think you will find is check mate.

I find all this hostility to a british fighter most unnerving when he has just performed the way he has and upset all the odds.

should be congratulating him not bemoaning the fact.

I hope Witter get sa title too then they can face off, at least that way i wont have to listen to all this bitter nonsense.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:33

Check-mate not in terms of Ricky Hatton but in terms of youre contradictoy argument.

J · Post by J » 17 Jun 2005, 08:35

whatever you lot are too fornicating boring, change the fornicating record, ill be back in two hours im off up the pub.

later

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jun 2005, 08:36

You'll all be in for it when J gets back, complete with chip on shoulder.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 17 Jun 2005, 09:12

search wrote:
KO Atrist wrote:
search wrote: No you said they controlled Ndou throughout. Nice to se you left out the judge who scored the Mitchell ndou fight 115-113. And you take ONE judges scorecard from the Cotto Ndou fight while the other two had it 115-113. I don't think you even saw the Mitchell Ndou fight but Mitchell won it 115-113 at best. The Cotto fight was also 115-113 but clearer for Cotto. Barry mcGuigan had Ndou beating Mitchell and Darke had it a draw I believe. I can't rememeber who it was but Watt or McCrory had Cotto winning 115-113.

Neither of them could knock Ndou down like Witter did and Witter wasn't in as much trouble as Mitchell was and wasn't getting caught late like much more than Cotto was.

You can't even admit that Witter beat Ndou much more convincingly than Cotto or Mitchell did.

What an idiot
The fact is that when Witter fought a true title holder he stank the place out, he then fought 15 opponents of dubious calibre, then beats NDou in a close fight.

You are shouting about Witters win over Ndou, but Ndou has NEVER beaten a world class fighter.

On the other hand Hatton has just stopped the NO1 man. Out fought him, out punched him and stopped him.

Hatton is the best in the WORLD mate, he has nothing to prove against Witter.

However, if Witter can pick up a decent title, Hatton may be in a generous mood and give him a shot, so Witter can finally earn a very good payday.

Other than that Witter has done nothing to earn a shot at the real world champion.

You only think he deserves a shot becasue he resides in the same country and you perceive some kind of domestic dispute as to superiority.

The fact is there is no dispute, Hatton is better and Witter could not live with him.

It sounds to me that Witter and his fans a becoming a little bitter and jealous.
OK.

Ndou is better than anyone on Hattons record bar Tszyu. Hatton DID beat Tszyu but that doesn't mean he can beat Witter and it certainly doesn't mean he is the best at 140 with the likes of Mayweather, Cotto, Harris, Witter etc.

TO say there is no dispute whether or not Hatton would beat Witter is once again stupid. If you really believe that there is "no dispute", then you are also an idiot. It may be YOUR opinion, but MANY MANY people feel differently.

THe fact that Witter is the hold the British title, the commonwealth title and the european title alone make him a credible opponent. for any lgiht welter. Coupled with his power and win over a credible performer in Ndou mean that he is without doubt a worthy adversary for at 140 pounder.

Hatton would never have got away with the tacitics he used against Tszyu in a USA ring too and don't forget that Tszyu had fought 3 rounds in 2 years and is 36.

How can you say that the BRITISH, EURPOEAN and COMMONWEALTH champion doesn't "deserve" a shot at a man who has, let's be honest, been ducking him for years and who has proved himself as a credible opponent in America.

I'm not a idiot, I just know my boxing better than you do.

Tszyu is 35 and not 36.

Ndou is not far from his mid 30's himself.

Surely, to fight the world number 1, you have to beat a world class fighter, or from a commercial point of view, be a great ticket seller so that the world no 1 can be paid enough to fight you.

I suggest you refrain from further comment until Witter beats a world class fighter, or becomes a great ticket seller.

I dont know that Witter is capable of doing either.