Maloney Invitation to debate

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 20 Jun 2005, 04:10

Apologies if this topic has been covered, I have looked for it but cannot find it.

However, Frank Maloney has invited a four man team from here and Doghouse to discuss boxing at his Fight Factory, along with Kev from BBN and Steve Lillis.

Not sure how keenly he wants to build up the boxrec versus dogh angle but obviously its a marvellous opp for people.

Few people of merit have stepped forward at DHB, and as far as I can see few have bitten here either.

I'm sure MW, J, James and others would be valid participants.....
He wants to film it and put it on the web.....

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 20 Jun 2005, 05:07

Would be happy to participate (love to debate). What is the format and when(I got on the plane for my honeymoon in about 30 miutes, writing this in the business lounge at Heathrow

J · Post by J » 20 Jun 2005, 07:21

im game but reckonthere are folk here with more knowledge.

but if you want me then yeah i dont mind, as ive been to more than a few of the fight factory cards over the past year i do know a fair bit bout the likes of woolcombe et al.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Jun 2005, 08:08

I'm game, though it would have to be outside of normal work hours. Would be interesting to participate for sure though, count me in if it is something I can fit in around my work schedule.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Jun 2005, 09:19

I'll be game if someone pays for me ticket to London.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 20 Jun 2005, 09:22

I'd like to contribute, in or out of work hours.

Nice for the forum to get some recognition from a promoter.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Jun 2005, 12:26

Where did you find this David, I cannot see it on Maloney's website anywhere, perhaps I'm going a bit mad...

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 20 Jun 2005, 12:38

It's posted over at doghouse James...don't really understand what's to debate exactly - but it's good to know Frank Maloney and co read the message boards. Seems the fans have a louder voice these days than they did in the past.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Jun 2005, 12:41

Ah right, well, I'll pop on and have a look.

I'm not really interested in getting involved in 'who's better, doghouse or boxrec' which I fear it could be. If it's an opportunity for some of the people involved to air their views and get into some interesting debate, great, if it's a sponsored slagging match which ends up making everyone look like proper charlies, I don't want any part of that.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Jun 2005, 13:17

I've had a look and its seems to be that, its not a chance to air some views as boxing fans to Maloney et al (journo's) on boxing, it sounds like as you suggested James just some "whose better Boxrec and Doghouse". Just like the things Carlos was suggesting.

If it does go ahead, I hope it will be a good day out for the lads - I hope though no snide remarks (from either forum) are made if a decision is made on "who is the better".

I got offered the chance to enter an inter forum prediction league a while back and turned it down. While it was jesture to fix bridges between the rival forums, I don't think competition is the way forward.

As you said James, the chance for forum members to air their views via a web cast to Maloney - even through the title of British Boxing fans, as opposed to "Boxrec posters" "Doghouse Posters" etc would be worthwhile.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 20 Jun 2005, 14:12

Lirva33?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Jun 2005, 19:32

Well, who is up for this then. I've posted over at doghouse, I'm up for going so long as it doesn't conflict with work, If it turns into some sort of fiasco, I'll just do one, I think we're all capable of being reasonable adults.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 21 Jun 2005, 02:41

I share your reservations James. And I'm sure Frank will want to get a bit of sparkle into proceedings - he is a promoter after all. But I think he's genuinely embracing the web as a productive medium for promoting and communicating with his target audience so hopefully, his motives are honourable.

Ithink Steve Lillis, Kev Taylor are definite invites and I think he hopes to ask some of his fighters to attend too.

DP

J · Post by J » 21 Jun 2005, 05:20

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well, who is up for this then. I've posted over at doghouse, I'm up for going so long as it doesn't conflict with work, If it turns into some sort of fiasco, I'll just do one, I think we're all capable of being reasonable adults.

yip agreed.
i have never poste don doghouse so dont even know how good or bad it is, so wouldnt be able to comment in honesty.

wld be more interested in pushing the fight factory fighters angle more and chatitng bout that.

i dont think you get the same bollocks face to face you get through the internet for starters so dont see it turning into a shambles.

stepper · Post by **stepper** » 21 Jun 2005, 18:49

I've been filming for the Maloneys over the last few months and will film the debate for the net. I don't think the idea of starting any forum wars has crossed anyones mind at the Fight Factory. I suggested on DHB that everyone who turns up is there to make a clear point, not insist the panel agree with them. My task will be to accurately edit the film to reflect the nature of the debate.

The gym has a good atmosphere when welcoming guests, weigh-in's and pressers, and there is a friendly bar downstairs so it should be a good night.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Jun 2005, 19:13

It might be useful if we knew what the agenda was, is there going to be a particular topic.

The future of boxing might be a good one.

rubberjohnny · Post by **rubberjohnny** » 22 Jun 2005, 10:17

With Frank Maloney and those others surely this will be a MASS-DEBATE!

J · Post by J » 22 Jun 2005, 10:25

rubberjohnny wrote:With Frank Maloney and those others surely this will be a MASS-DEBATE!

with you positng name that makes you a posh wank then?

usual constructive post from ur good self.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Jun 2005, 10:33

Whats the debate about exactly?

Boxing in general?

Allegedly will get an absolute slating surely.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 22 Jun 2005, 10:35

Nobody seems to really know at this stage.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 22 Jun 2005, 11:36

nickd wrote:Whats the debate about exactly?

Boxing in general?

Allegedly will get an absolute slating surely.

Whay should allegedly get a slating.

He's just put on one of the biggest fights in this country for 20 years.

And the biggest fight 20 years ago, Curry v Jones, he put that on as well.

Allegedly should be praised not slated.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Jun 2005, 12:07

Exactly, Warren just delivered a genuine world champion, I see no reason to give him a hard time for putting together a fight against Tszyu for Hatton in his home stadium.

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 22 Jun 2005, 12:13

This could be interesting but I have a feeling it is going to just turn into a war of words between the forums there will be some attending who just won't be able to help themselves. Maybe I should put together a BBN dream team to bring along, don't want you lot ganging up on me!!..

It would be good discuss how boxing can be improved in terms of entertainment for the general boxing fan and maybe look at some of rules and what we think of them, ie. the Cuts rule, the addition of three judges for British title fights etc.

It shouldn't just turn into a general slagging off of the promoters out there.

Each site has it's own merit and there will always be the occasional idiot who just goes onto the forum to cause trouble that's one of the main reasons I have never opened a forum at BBN because of the time spent to police it etc

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Jun 2005, 12:34

Yes in fact, the cuts rule is a good one, because there was a recent example at a Maloney fight, where Brett James was clearly cut with a clash of heads, and was ahead on points, or should have been, but lost the fight inside of four rounds of action.

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 22 Jun 2005, 12:40

Same happened to James Paisley on SUnday, a clash of heads in the fourth and Ward got the win, I think Ward would have probably gone on to win anyway but that's not the point