jamesmcdonnell wrote:No, no no!!!
Why is Haye getting this shot....I cannot believe it.
We're far from the only country to have misconceptions about other countries, just look at the Irish, Scots and Welsh views on the Englishjamesmcdonnell wrote:Yep agreed. It's bordering on the ridiculous. Germany and Germans are nothing like people think.MachoMan09 wrote:How could we ever forget it, have you seen the output from 'Yesterday'? Anyone would think WW2 (along with the assassination of JFK) is the only thing that has ever happened in the 4.54 billion years Earth has existed.boxingchat wrote: And so it should be, should never been forgotten ever.
That some cretins still see Germany as the enemy 66 yeas after the end of WWII and 22 years after the fall of the wall is "LeedsLad's" point and I agree with him.
First time you've seen the HW division James??? He's no more undeserving than the likes of Tony Thompson, Ray Austin,fast Eddie Chambers, Sam Peter IMOjamesmcdonnell wrote:No, no no!!!
Why is Haye getting this shot....I cannot believe it.
Exactly!Chambers2 wrote:First time you've seen the HW division James??? He's no more undeserving than the likes of Tony Thompson, Ray Austin,fast Eddie Chambers, Sam Peter IMOjamesmcdonnell wrote:No, no no!!!
Why is Haye getting this shot....I cannot believe it.
Correct! After the showing (or actually lack of it on Haye's part) against Wlad, Haye cannot expect a Purse anywhere what he received for that fight.johnswan1 wrote:If Haye is unwilling to pursue this fight for any reason (including not getting a big enough share of the pot) he should retire.
Well millions of pounds worth of PPV buys were sold for Haye against Harrison so why on earth wouldn't they sell millions for Haye v Vitali?? I can absolutely guarantee you 100% that this would sell in its droves if the fight were made regardless of the likelihood of the outcome and anybody who believes otherwise is talking "Balderdash" as you would say.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Balderdash. Who is going to buy a PPV after Haye's pathetically flaccid performance, against the more reticent of the brothers? Only a damned fool.SteveDow wrote:To be fair, the fight (either Wlad or Vitali against Haye) does still make sense for all parties.
For Haye, he wants to beat a Klitschko and regain a world title and he clearly will not make anywhere near as much money against anybody else.
For the Klitschko's they know that they will make more money than against any other fighter as well as knowing that they should both win comfortably should the fight occur.
At the end of the day, all three guys are coming towards the end of their careers and are looking to cash out as much as possible. It's not like the division is loaded with great fighters against whom they can enhance their respective legacies. On that basis, the logical choice of all is another fight between a Klitschko and Haye.
There isn't half the money in this fight as there was last time.
I hope the fight doesn't happen. Why should Haye be rewarded for mugging off the british public.
Really? Where?mkirkhope wrote:Too much has been made of this interview.
Vitali's actual words are "maybe in the future" he'd like to fight Haye and then goes on to say Haye doesn't offer much without a belt. He also says "well you can never say never".
This has somehow been transformed into "VITALI WANTS HAYE NEXT" headlines.
Not sure why, and still don't think it will happen.
Also, look at Spinks-Judah. Judah took the rematch for just $100,000 with Spinks set to earn $1,200,000. Judah brought little to the table as Spinks had the title and a hometown 20,000+ sell out but it was Zab who walked away with the title. That's having the balls to take a challenge.Rocky Balboa wrote:Correct! After the showing (or actually lack of it on Haye's part) against Wlad, Haye cannot expect a Purse anywhere what he received for that fight.johnswan1 wrote:If Haye is unwilling to pursue this fight for any reason (including not getting a big enough share of the pot) he should retire.
However, as mad as it sounds to me & you, if he beats Vitali, he's right back in there!
He's got to do something because I'd rather see him retire than fight a Chisora or Fury, whom I feel he is a level above!
I don't think that's inaccurate from what he said (from what I remember anyway).MachoMan09 wrote:The BBC has run with "Vitali Klitschko wants David Haye fight".Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Really? Where?mkirkhope wrote:Too much has been made of this interview.
Vitali's actual words are "maybe in the future" he'd like to fight Haye and then goes on to say Haye doesn't offer much without a belt. He also says "well you can never say never".
This has somehow been transformed into "VITALI WANTS HAYE NEXT" headlines.
Not sure why, and still don't think it will happen.
SteveDow wrote:Well millions of pounds worth of PPV buys were sold for Haye against Harrison so why on earth wouldn't they sell millions for Haye v Vitali?? I can absolutely guarantee you 100% that this would sell in its droves if the fight were made regardless of the likelihood of the outcome and anybody who believes otherwise is talking "Balderdash" as you would say.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Balderdash. Who is going to buy a PPV after Haye's pathetically flaccid performance, against the more reticent of the brothers? Only a damned fool.SteveDow wrote:To be fair, the fight (either Wlad or Vitali against Haye) does still make sense for all parties.
For Haye, he wants to beat a Klitschko and regain a world title and he clearly will not make anywhere near as much money against anybody else.
For the Klitschko's they know that they will make more money than against any other fighter as well as knowing that they should both win comfortably should the fight occur.
At the end of the day, all three guys are coming towards the end of their careers and are looking to cash out as much as possible. It's not like the division is loaded with great fighters against whom they can enhance their respective legacies. On that basis, the logical choice of all is another fight between a Klitschko and Haye.
There isn't half the money in this fight as there was last time.
I hope the fight doesn't happen. Why should Haye be rewarded for mugging off the british public.
True, but bar peter, those guys got one shot each.Chambers2 wrote:First time you've seen the HW division James??? He's no more undeserving than the likes of Tony Thompson, Ray Austin,fast Eddie Chambers, Sam Peter IMOjamesmcdonnell wrote:No, no no!!!
Why is Haye getting this shot....I cannot believe it.
Can't remember where I saw Vit wants Haye next but plenty headlines of 'Vitali wants Haye'.Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I don't think that's inaccurate from what he said (from what I remember anyway).MachoMan09 wrote:The BBC has run with "Vitali Klitschko wants David Haye fight".Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: Really? Where?
Saying he wants him next would be bollocks (again, from memory).
Didnt you say that with Wlad??Dioufy wrote:Haye KO. Mark my words, peeps.
Tommy Gunn13 wrote:Didnt you say that with Wlad?Dioufy wrote:Haye KO. Mark my words, peeps.
Theres only one DioufyDioufy wrote:Tommy Gunn13 wrote:Didnt you say that with Wlad?Dioufy wrote:Haye KO. Mark my words, peeps.
No, that was the other Dioufy.
I predicted Wlad KO.
Haye to KO Vitali.
Spiker wrote: Exactly!
I cant see Haye excepting Vitali but if he does it would be just, if not more interesting than wlad as Haye knows he cant embarase himself again.
I would look forward to it as theres no other excitment there at hw
100% agree with you Tonytonyevs wrote:Spiker wrote: Exactly!
I cant see Haye excepting Vitali but if he does it would be just, if not more interesting than wlad as Haye knows he cant embarase himself again.
I would look forward to it as theres no other excitment there at hw
How is it just for a guy who lost widely in his previous fight, to get a straight shot at another world title?
As poor as the other contenders are - they should get the next call. And Haye should fight his way back to contention.
And as for haye not being able to embarrass himself again ... he could embarrass himself a whole lot more against a bigger and tougher brother ..
Haye was diving to the canvas as soon as Wlad resting his arms on him, but remember how Hide was on the canvas when he fought Vitali??
And Lastly ... explain how Haye is the only excitement in the heavyweight division?
He put in a worse performance than most of Wlads previous opponents ... runs for dear life against big heavies ... and throws desperate single shots 2-3times a round ... and if they somehow connect ... calls them his Hayemakers
What you have to remember is that British fans will buy in to these kind of fights, even where their guy has got little chance of being able to get the win. Even though I think Haye would lose convincingly I'd still be more than happy to pay £15 and I wouldn't class myself as stupid by any means. Rather I'm someone who would view £15 quid as a small price to pay for watching what would be a big event, even if the fight was not competitive.jamesmcdonnell wrote:SteveDow wrote:Well millions of pounds worth of PPV buys were sold for Haye against Harrison so why on earth wouldn't they sell millions for Haye v Vitali?? I can absolutely guarantee you 100% that this would sell in its droves if the fight were made regardless of the likelihood of the outcome and anybody who believes otherwise is talking "Balderdash" as you would say.jamesmcdonnell wrote: Balderdash. Who is going to buy a PPV after Haye's pathetically flaccid performance, against the more reticent of the brothers? Only a damned fool.
There isn't half the money in this fight as there was last time.
I hope the fight doesn't happen. Why should Haye be rewarded for mugging off the british public.
Haye has now stunk the joint out IN THREE heavyweight fights, Valuev, Harrison and Klitchsko. Are the public really THAT stupid. Everyone I know, including casual sports fans who watched it, have been absolutely slating Haye.
I don't think this lemon can be churned into lemonade mate.
Haye isn't going to be offered anything like the money he got last time, and the likes of HBO aren't going to pay through the nose for it, unless Haye can demonstrate that he is box office again. Schaeffer already told Haye that he will have to work his way to a title fight by providing some sparks.
However, I suppose if the winner of Fury v Chisora are being talked about as possible opponents, then the cupboard really is pretty bare.
Truth is, there's nobody out there who has more than a snowball in hell's chance of defeating either brother.
One word: Australia.MachoMan09 wrote:They know the Brits are irrational and can easily be whipped into a frenzy of patriotic blindness like almost no other nation on earth.
so the same people who are bitching about wasting 15 quid to watch a load of old tosh and calling Haye all the names under the sun, are going to pay it again, to watch them fight his brother.SteveDow wrote:What you have to remember is that British fans will buy in to these kind of fights, even where their guy has got little chance of being able to get the win. Even though I think Haye would lose convincingly I'd still be more than happy to pay £15 and I wouldn't class myself as stupid by any means. Rather I'm someone who would view £15 quid as a small price to pay for watching what would be a big event, even if the fight was not competitive.jamesmcdonnell wrote:SteveDow wrote: Well millions of pounds worth of PPV buys were sold for Haye against Harrison so why on earth wouldn't they sell millions for Haye v Vitali?? I can absolutely guarantee you 100% that this would sell in its droves if the fight were made regardless of the likelihood of the outcome and anybody who believes otherwise is talking "Balderdash" as you would say.
Haye has now stunk the joint out IN THREE heavyweight fights, Valuev, Harrison and Klitchsko. Are the public really THAT stupid. Everyone I know, including casual sports fans who watched it, have been absolutely slating Haye.
I don't think this lemon can be churned into lemonade mate.
Haye isn't going to be offered anything like the money he got last time, and the likes of HBO aren't going to pay through the nose for it, unless Haye can demonstrate that he is box office again. Schaeffer already told Haye that he will have to work his way to a title fight by providing some sparks.
However, I suppose if the winner of Fury v Chisora are being talked about as possible opponents, then the cupboard really is pretty bare.
Truth is, there's nobody out there who has more than a snowball in hell's chance of defeating either brother.
Take into account the media hype and the number of people who would make an impulse buy on the night and you would get a very successful PPV event.