ALI VS. TYSON

[silkov]

Boxing has everything to do with mental strength and mental flaws... this is the real difference between being a true great and an also ran in boxing and anyone who knows boxing knows this. Had Tyson the mentality of a Frazier or Marciano then he would have achieved much more and may well have proved himself an all time great but he was severely flawed even at his 'prime' and hence he does not merit a place amongst the all time greats.
6 defeats, none avenged, biting off ears, attempting to break arms, biting thighs... use of ugly profanities etc etc etc... sound like an all time great to anyone here???.......

[bollox]

Boxing has everything to do with mental strength and mental flaws... this is the real difference between being a true great and an also ran in boxing and anyone who knows boxing knows this. Had Tyson the mentality of a Frazier or Marciano then he would have achieved much more and may well have proved himself an all time great but he was severely flawed even at his 'prime' and hence he does not merit a place amongst the all time greats.
6 defeats, none avenged, biting off ears, attempting to break arms, biting thighs... use of ugly profanities etc etc etc... sound like an all time great to anyone here???.......

spot on. Tyson in a nutshell

[silkov]

Boxing has everything to do with mental strength and mental flaws... this is the real difference between being a true great and an also ran in boxing and anyone who knows boxing knows this. Had Tyson the mentality of a Frazier or Marciano then he would have achieved much more and may well have proved himself an all time great but he was severely flawed even at his 'prime' and hence he does not merit a place amongst the all time greats.
6 defeats, none avenged, biting off ears, attempting to break arms, biting thighs... use of ugly profanities etc etc etc... sound like an all time great to anyone here???.......

spot on. Tyson in a nutshell

Indeed Bollox old bean! ....and 'nutshell' is a very apt way of putting it too!... 8)

[bollox]

And on top of all that - I believe he's only about 5'10 :x

[silkov]

Perhaps thats the reason why he was biting Mcbrides nipples.. :x :x :( . he couldn't reach his ears!??. ....

[Dapaper]

What do you think Wilt's reach was?

What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?

Wilt has to be in the top 10 - 20 athletes of all time.

He was in tremendous shape, A world class weight lifter, 7'0 tall with a ridiculous reach and he wasn't a big clumsy giant either he was very agile, he holds his state high school record for the long jump and 100 meter dash.

I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali and when he did there would be lot's of giants boxing instead of playing basketball.

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[barry]

Is it just by chance that you know about that forum?

[Dapaper]

Yes.

[Grimm]

Have you ever seen Wilt Chamberlain box?

Have you?

No, that's exactly my point, if you have never seen the man fight then how could you automatically say that it is just crazy for someone to say he could beat Ali?

If any of you are actually boxers and not just people who try to assume what it is like being in the ring, then you would know that someone a whole foot taller than you would need very limited boxing skills to give you hell.

I'm not going to go on about everything Wilt Chamberlain could do but he was truly a freak and could do almost anything.

I'm not saying that it was definite that either of them would win, but my bet would be on Chamberlain.

[Sweet Scientist]

No, that's exactly my point, if you have never seen the man fight then how could you automatically say that it is just crazy for someone to say he could beat Ali?

Common fornicating sense...

If any of you are actually boxers and not just people who try to assume what it is like being in the ring, then you would know that someone a whole foot taller than you would need very limited boxing skills to give you hell.

Go to your local gym, pick a professional fighter 3 or 4" shorter than you, and 20-30# lighter than you, then pick a fight with him...and you'll find out first hand what an experienced boxer can do to someone bigger...you also won't find many boxers who think a basketball player can beat a quality heavyweight boxer...

I'm not going to go on about everything Wilt Chamberlain could do but he was truly a freak and could do almost anything.

There were hundreds of things Wilt couldn't do...especially beating a heavyweight champion...

I'm not saying that it was definite that either of them would win, but my bet would be on Chamberlain.

You were 'definite' in an earlier post...change your mind much?

[Grimm]

You were 'definite' in an earlier post...change your mind much?

I was not definite in my earlier post.

I clearly said that "I believe Chamberlain would've won" I didn't say it was impossible for Ali to win and that Chamberlain would definitely win.

There were hundreds of things Wilt couldn't do...especially beating a heavyweight champion...

Well you don't know this. Seing that he never fought one.

Go to your local gym, pick a professional fighter 3 or 4" shorter than you, and 20-30# lighter than you, then pick a fight with him...and you'll find out first hand what an experienced boxer can do to someone bigger...you also won't find many boxers who think a basketball player can beat a quality heavyweight boxer...

If I go and beat the hell out of some middleweight at my gym I will prove nothing. 3 or 4 inches is not 11 or 12 inches anyway. 3 or 4 inches is not much of a difference at all.

You've never boxed before have you?

[Sweet Scientist]

You were 'definite' in an earlier post...change your mind much?

I was not definite in my earlier post.

I clearly said that "I believe Chamberlain would've won" I didn't say it was impossible for Ali to win and that Chamberlain would definitely win.

There were hundreds of things Wilt couldn't do...especially beating a heavyweight champion...

Well you don't know this. Seing that he never fought one.

Go to your local gym, pick a professional fighter 3 or 4" shorter than you, and 20-30# lighter than you, then pick a fight with him...and you'll find out first hand what an experienced boxer can do to someone bigger...you also won't find many boxers who think a basketball player can beat a quality heavyweight boxer...

If I go and beat the hell out of some middleweight at my gym I will prove nothing. 3 or 4 inches is not 11 or 12 inches anyway. 3 or 4 inches is not much of a difference at all.

You've never boxed before have you?

...no real boxer would say a basketball player could beat Ali...unless they suffer from pugilistic dementia...no real boxer would be intimidated by someone who never boxed...no real boxer would post something like that...if your 'boxing skills' match your intelligence, deductive reasoning, and common sense, you must really suck...

[Sweet Scientist]

What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?


I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali

sounds pretty 'definite' to me...

[Grimm]

You were 'definite' in an earlier post...change your mind much?

I was not definite in my earlier post.

I clearly said that "I believe Chamberlain would've won" I didn't say it was impossible for Ali to win and that Chamberlain would definitely win.

There were hundreds of things Wilt couldn't do...especially beating a heavyweight champion...

Well you don't know this. Seing that he never fought one.

Go to your local gym, pick a professional fighter 3 or 4" shorter than you, and 20-30# lighter than you, then pick a fight with him...and you'll find out first hand what an experienced boxer can do to someone bigger...you also won't find many boxers who think a basketball player can beat a quality heavyweight boxer...

If I go and beat the hell out of some middleweight at my gym I will prove nothing. 3 or 4 inches is not 11 or 12 inches anyway. 3 or 4 inches is not much of a difference at all.

You've never boxed before have you?

...no real boxer would say a basketball player could beat Ali...unless they suffer from pugilistic dementia...no real boxer would be intimidated by someone who never boxed...no real boxer would post something like that...if your 'boxing skills' match your intelligence, deductive reasoning, and common sense, you must really suck...

So you aren't a boxer, just like I thought.

Well then, have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

[Sweet Scientist]

So you aren't a boxer, just like I thought.

Well then, have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

...well...how would you know how good I was...Chamberlain never boxed and you say he could have beaten Ali...


Do you even have a clue as to what you're talking about?

[Grimm]

What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?


I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali

sounds pretty 'definite' to me...

Well might as well educate you in the studies of english as well.

Definite:2 a : free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity .

Definite1 : having distinct or certain limits

Did I say that Wilt Chamberlain would beat I Ali?

NO. I said that I believe had they fought he would've won.

And I do believe that he would have won had they fought, I never said that I was absolutely positive that he would beat Ali, I just picked him to win.

[KOJOE90]

Have you ever seen Wilt Chamberlain box?

Have you?

Well?

[Grimm]

So you aren't a boxer, just like I thought.

Well then, have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

...well...how would you know how good I was...Chamberlain never boxed and you say he could have beaten Ali...


Do you even have a clue as to what you're talking about?

YOU are not Wilt Chamberlain.

Nor will you ever be able to achieve what he has done outside of basketball.

[Sweet Scientist]

What really would have happened if Muhammad Ali faced Wilt Chamberlain?


I actually believe that he would've beaten Ali

sounds pretty 'definite' to me...

Well might as well educate you in the studies of english as well.

Definite:2 a : free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity .

Definite1 : having distinct or certain limits

Did I say that Wilt Chamberlain would beat I Ali?

NO. I said that I believe had they fought he would've won.

And I do believe that he would have won had they fought, I never said that I was absolutely positive that he would beat Ali, I just picked him to win.

You're a flip flopping waffler that got stuck with your foot in your mouth...who the hell do you think you're bullshitting here?

[Grimm]

Have you ever seen Wilt Chamberlain box?

Have you?

Well?

I replied to this Kojoe on the last page.

[Grimm]

sounds pretty 'definite' to me...

Well might as well educate you in the studies of english as well.

Definite:2 a : free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity .

Definite1 : having distinct or certain limits

Did I say that Wilt Chamberlain would beat I Ali?

NO. I said that I believe had they fought he would've won.

And I do believe that he would have won had they fought, I never said that I was absolutely positive that he would beat Ali, I just picked him to win.

You're a flip flopping waffler that got stuck with your foot in your mouth...who the hell do you think you're bullshitting here?

Look at you resorting to name calling.LMAO.

I did not get caught with my foot in my mouth but it was you who did not know what the word definite means.

Be a man about it, thank me for educating you.

[KOJOE90]

Have you?

Well?

I replied to this Kojoe on the last page.

Sorry I missed that Grimm I apologise.

No, that's exactly my point, if you have never seen the man fight then how could you automatically say that it is just crazy for someone to say he could beat Ali?

If any of you are actually boxers and not just people who try to assume what it is like being in the ring, then you would know that someone a whole foot taller than you would need very limited boxing skills to give you hell.

I'm not going to go on about everything Wilt Chamberlain could do but he was truly a freak and could do almost anything.

I'm not saying that it was definite that either of them would win, but my bet would be on Chamberlain.

I still cant agree with you, no matter how great an athlete Wilt was you just can't pick up the multitute of skills, mental and physical of a World class Boxer in a few months it takes years and years of coaching and fight experience.

[Sweet Scientist]

Well might as well educate you in the studies of english as well.

Definite:2 a : free of all ambiguity, uncertainty, or obscurity .

Definite1 : having distinct or certain limits

Did I say that Wilt Chamberlain would beat I Ali?

NO. I said that I believe had they fought he would've won.

And I do believe that he would have won had they fought, I never said that I was absolutely positive that he would beat Ali, I just picked him to win.

You're a flip flopping waffler that got stuck with your foot in your mouth...who the hell do you think you're bullshitting here?

Look at you resorting to name calling.LMAO.

I did not get caught with my foot in my mouth but it was you who did not know what the word definite means.

Be a man about it, thank me for educating you.

You aren't any boxer...and your vile trash you posted about Silkov on another thread (Pm'ing about the size of boxers dick's, calling a faggot bitch) shows your true colors...your credibility level is off the charts...good bye

[Grimm]

You're a flip flopping waffler that got stuck with your foot in your mouth...who the hell do you think you're bullshitting here?

Look at you resorting to name calling.LMAO.

I did not get caught with my foot in my mouth but it was you who did not know what the word definite means.

Be a man about it, thank me for educating you.

You aren't any boxer...and your vile trash you posted about Silkov on another thread (Pm'ing about the size of boxers dick's, calling a faggot bitch) shows your true colors...your credibility level is off the charts...good bye

I have no problem name calling on a boxing forum.

But you of all people to call names, the same person who questioned my class when I called silkov a faggot, you of all people resort to name calling.

[Grimm]

Well?

I replied to this Kojoe on the last page.

Sorry I missed that Grimm I apologise.

No, that's exactly my point, if you have never seen the man fight then how could you automatically say that it is just crazy for someone to say he could beat Ali?

If any of you are actually boxers and not just people who try to assume what it is like being in the ring, then you would know that someone a whole foot taller than you would need very limited boxing skills to give you hell.

I'm not going to go on about everything Wilt Chamberlain could do but he was truly a freak and could do almost anything.

I'm not saying that it was definite that either of them would win, but my bet would be on Chamberlain.

I still cant agree with you, no matter how great an athlete Wilt was you just can't pick up the multitute of skills, mental and physical of a World class Boxer in a few months it takes years and years of coaching and fight experience.

And I understand your point.