Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Rick Farris]

You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special was the same as De La Hoya's look in the corner after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy (Panzerfaust), on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito. Our Randy is the only one to whip A Manuel's Special, and actually ate 1 1/2. Remy boasted that he could finish one off. We posted pictures of Remy trying. He'd have had an easier time trying to out-box a prime Willie Pep. Maybe somebody will dig up a picture of Manuel for you?

[Panzerfaust]

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special was the same as De La Hoya's look in the corner after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito.

you are getting old my friend

[kikibalt]

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special was the same as De La Hoya's look in the corner after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito. Our Randy is the only one to whip A Manuel's Special, and actually ate 1 1/2. Remy boasted that he could finish one off. We posted pictures of Remy trying. He'd have had an easier time trying to out-box a prime Willie Pep. Maybe somebody will dig up a picture of Manuel for you?

Big Manuel

[coach greg v]

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special was the same as De La Hoya's look in the corner after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito. Our Randy is the only one to whip A Manuel's Special, and actually ate 1 1/2. Remy boasted that he could finish one off. We posted pictures of Remy trying. He'd have had an easier time trying to out-box a prime Willie Pep. Maybe somebody will dig up a picture of Manuel for you?

>one mistery solved. i used to know a trainer in east la who invited me to his house. I was a little worried being a whetto coach there. I was never treated with more courtesy and respect. i remember he had a ring in his back yard and he would turn on the lights and all the kids from neighborhood would come and box. god we had fun and had tons of boxing memorablia. drink talk fights eat the best food...great days in the early 80s

[coach greg v]

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito. Our Randy is the only one to whip A Manuel's Special, and actually ate 1 1/2. Remy boasted that he could finish one off. We posted pictures of Remy trying. He'd have had an easier time trying to out-box a prime Willie Pep. Maybe somebody will dig up a picture of Manuel for you?

Big Manuel

>now thats food. no artsy fartsy hollywood food

[Rick Farris]

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito.

you are getting old my friend

Some history youngster . . .

Yeah, I'm starting to lose it, too many film locations are kinda like too many fights.
Sorry Ram, I meant to say, Finland, or was it Iceland?
Wherever, it's too cold for me and they don't allow professional boxing, right?
Remy, we should consider some ring names for the day you make your pro debut in Southern California.
And next time you should bring a NORWEGIAN flag for Wild Card. Why not?
Maybe you should have some fun with this. When you fight for fun, like Ray White did, you always come out on top.
There was a heavyweight a hundred years ago named Tom Kennedy fought some greats of the era, but he didn't do it for money.
Tom Kennedy fought for the sport, and he was a helluva fighter. His family was wealthy, he didn't need boxing for his future.
When Kennedy retired, he was sharp and popular, opened a busy bar in NYC.
In 1913 (or 1915) there was a mob murder in his bar. Rather than testify, Kennedy left for Hollywood.
Kennedy would use his family contacts and become an actor, and became famous as one of the Keystone Kops, and a long career as a familiar charactor actor right until his death. He was seen in the "Little Rascals" as a cop. He had a look, known as "the slow burn" where you could see the anger rising to a boil on his face. He was also the first man to promote boxing for the Hollywood Legion. That in itself is an honor, as the Legionaires were a class outfit, and wanted nothing less with their boxing club. Kennedy was always active in the boxing world, and I have this great photo that Hap Navarro sent me years ago. It's a group photo, taken at a boxing function around 1950. In the photo is Hap Navarro, sitting along with Tom Kennedy, Fidel LaBarba, Mickey Walker, a youthful Don Chargin and other legends. Those involved with the evolution of the Hollywood Legion Stadium and the Olympic Auditorium are the foundation of the Golden Age of boxing on the West Coast.
By the way, Tom Kennedy's family fortune was lost when Wall Street crashed, leading into the depression.


-Rick Farris

[Panzerfaust]

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito.

you are getting old my friend

Yeah, I'm starting to lose it, too many film locations are kinda like too many fights. Sorry Ram, I meant to say, Finland, or was it Iceland? Wherever, it's cold for me and they don't allow professional boxing, right?

Your getting closer Damn that burrito looks good... i cant wait to take on ''Kid'' Hollenbeck

[kikibalt]

The world's largest burrito. Served at El Tepeyac in East L.A.
Remy, on a recent visit here from Holland for the CBHOF event & some training at Freddie roach's gym, decided to take on the world's toughest burrito. Our Randy is the only one to whip A Manuel's Special, and actually ate 1 1/2. Remy boasted that he could finish one off. We posted pictures of Remy trying. He'd have had an easier time trying to out-box a prime Willie Pep. Maybe somebody will dig up a picture of Manuel for you?

Big Manuel



>now thats food. no artsy fartsy hollywood food

[kikibalt]

The Ram don't want to fight anymore



The winner Kid Burrito!! A.K.A Manuel

[coach greg v]

The Ram don't want to fight anymore



The winner Kid Burrito!! A.K.A Manuel

>now that place I have to try. kinda of like dempseys rest in new york

[raylawpc]

LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken


This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason

You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special, was the same as De La Hoya's in the corner, after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

I didn't write that; Frank did. I'm not going to make fun of my fellow Scandinavian for his failed effort in unseating Big Manuel until after I conquer the giant burrito in June.

[CNorkusJr]

When Boxers were expected to "Step Up". . .

If Floyd & Pac came up in L.A. when Aileen Eaton & George Parnassus controlled our big time boxing, they'd have fought long ago.
You cash in on the event while it is hot, when it's wanted. A simple injury to either boxer eliminates a nine figure revenue today.
Back in the day in L.A. there was no waiting to settle a grudge match, cross town rivalry, or whatever the interest in a competitive match.
No boys "protected" in L.A. rings back then, not like what you see today. We had guys that got better breaks, but they fought competitive opponents.
When Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli were the hottest homegrown talents, the two ELA hot shots were matched.
When Mando Ramos and Frankie Crawford needed to fight, they did. Twice.
When Quarry and Orbillo was a hot ticket, they got it on. Winning records were put in jeopardy, not like today.
And what about Kelly Pavlik? It's time to punch his time card and dismiss him. Disgrassa!


-Rick Farris

>those Mando Ramos fights and the tv show BOXING FROM THE OLYMPIC. I never missed those.I wonder if any are on dvd?

One possible answer to your question is : Probably not. Back during the 1950's when boxing was on TV it was franchised out by the TV stations owners and was permitted to be kept in film form licensee rights by Big Fights Inc. I dont know the original owners of Big Fights Inc or its beginnings,nor its agreement, but nonetheless Big Fights Inc eventually ended up in the hands of Jim Jacobs. Jim was an avid Handball Amateur Champion and well known for that activity. Jim was the sole owner of Big Fights Inc at least by 1970.
(My father had some business with him in getting copies of some of his fight films).

Everytime a former fight film was shown on TV,in a movie or movie playhouse, Big Fights got a pct. Along came Bill Cayton in the late 1970's or 1980's and Jim & Bill merged as partners. They still owned the rights up through that point. When Cus D'Amato passed on ,Jim & Bill became mgrs of Mike Tyson,with Kevin Rooney the trainer.
You might have read that Mike enjoyed watching films of the past greats so he tried to pick up on some stances or training methods of those in the past.
Mike actually became very astute at boxing history because of Jim's and Bill's collection.

Jim Jacobs passed on and Bill took control of the business. With Tyson fleeing to King, and then Bill passing away-the business and its rights ended up with Bill Cayton Jr.
I had some business with Bill Jr trying to buy my fathers films and its rights but he already sold them to ESPN/Disney. Hence you see these classics on ESPN Classic Channel. (AND I ADD- RARELY ANYWHERE ELSE !)
Though I do not know exactly if they own the Olympic TV fights from back then, my gut feeling is that do, however-thankfully many of these fights emerged on the underground film collectors market years ago (copies) and technology today has brought them to life via Youtube and other sites.

Many private collectors exist out there somewhere who just might have copies of great fights yet seen. Archie Moore owned a copy of my dads fight with him,but never brought another copy to New York for my dad to have.
Archie had 100's of his fights in his personal collection at the time of his death.
I read somewhere they were auctioned off to another private collector somewhere for $300,000. Collector unknown.
Though not positive where those Olympic fight films are-maybe they were not recorded on celluloid or taped at all.My guess is they are in someones attic somewhere. Or Disney. Good luck trying to find out from them.

[kikibalt]

You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special, was the same as De La Hoya's in the corner, after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

I didn't write that; Frank did. I'm not going to make fun of my fellow Scandinavian for his failed effort in unseating Big Manuel until after I conquer the giant burrito in June.

[Panzerfaust]

You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special, was the same as De La Hoya's in the corner, after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

I didn't write that; Frank did. I'm not going to make fun of my fellow Scandinavian for his failed effort in unseating Big Manuel until after I conquer the giant burrito in June.

I have faith in you Tom, you show these guys what a norseman can do

[kikibalt]

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special, was the same as De La Hoya's in the corner, after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

I didn't write that; Frank did. I'm not going to make fun of my fellow Scandinavian for his failed effort in unseating Big Manuel until after I conquer the giant burrito in June.

I have faith in you Tom, you show these guys what a norseman can do

Kid Burrito vs Big Tom "KO" Ray...The odds favor the house fighter...

[CNorkusJr]

>those Mando Ramos fights and the tv show BOXING FROM THE OLYMPIC. I never missed those.I wonder if any are on dvd?

One possible answer to your question is : Probably not. Back during the 1950's when boxing was on TV it was franchised out by the TV stations owners and was permitted to be kept in film form licensee rights by Big Fights Inc. I dont know the original owners of Big Fights Inc or its beginnings,nor its agreement, but nonetheless Big Fights Inc eventually ended up in the hands of Jim Jacobs. Jim was an avid Handball Amateur Champion and well known for that activity. Jim was the sole owner of Big Fights Inc at least by 1970.
(My father had some business with him in getting copies of some of his fight films).

Everytime a former fight film was shown on TV,in a movie or movie playhouse, Big Fights got a pct. Along came Bill Cayton in the late 1970's or 1980's and Jim & Bill merged as partners. They still owned the rights up through that point. When Cus D'Amato passed on ,Jim & Bill became mgrs of Mike Tyson,with Kevin Rooney the trainer.
You might have read that Mike enjoyed watching films of the past greats so he tried to pick up on some stances or training methods of those in the past.
Mike actually became very astute at boxing history because of Jim's and Bill's collection.

Jim Jacobs passed on and Bill took control of the business. With Tyson fleeing to King, and then Bill passing away-the business and its rights ended up with Bill Cayton Jr.
I had some business with Bill Jr trying to buy my fathers films and its rights but he already sold them to ESPN/Disney. Hence you see these classics on ESPN Classic Channel. (AND I ADD- RARELY ANYWHERE ELSE !)
Though I do not know exactly if they own the Olympic TV fights from back then, my gut feeling is that do, however-thankfully many of these fights emerged on the underground film collectors market years ago (copies) and technology today has brought them to life via Youtube and other sites.

Many private collectors exist out there somewhere who just might have copies of great fights yet seen. Archie Moore owned a copy of my dads fight with him,but never brought another copy to New York for my dad to have.
Archie had 100's of his fights in his personal collection at the time of his death.
I read somewhere they were auctioned off to another private collector somewhere for $300,000. Collector unknown.
Though not positive where those Olympic fight films are-maybe they were not recorded on celluloid or taped at all.My guess is they are in someones attic somewhere. Or Disney. Good luck trying to find out from them.

**** Just saw what you wrote Rick in response*****
If they were stolen, they probably sit in a private collection. Hopefully they still exist as a set. Maybe they were sold and ended up in Bill Cayton Jr's hands and eventually went to Disney. If thats the case-then kiss them goodbye as they sit in a huge vault here in New York-climate controlled. What a waste-hopefully they will show themselves some day on Youtube.

[Rick Farris]

you are getting old my friend

Yeah, I'm starting to lose it, too many film locations are kinda like too many fights. Sorry Ram, I meant to say, Finland, or was it Iceland? Wherever, it's cold for me and they don't allow professional boxing, right?

Your getting closer Damn that burrito looks good... i cant wait to take on ''Kid'' Hollenbeck

Well, it's definitly a step down in opposition.
I don't each much, Monica says I eat like a bird. I could top off a Hollenbeck, if I was hungry.
So don't expect to draw much attention sitting down with a Hollenbeck.
Just one question? Think back to how you felt when you took your first "rest" in the Manuel contest.
Is the thought of a rematch one that crosses your mind? Or do you envision yourself about to explode?
I knew that Randy was a fighter the day we met decades ago, he was with Mel Epstein.
Randy ate Manuel, rinsed him down with a Pepsi, and then ate another half a Manuel's special, just for fun. Now that's a fighter.
But the only time I have seen you ch

[coach greg v]

>those Mando Ramos fights and the tv show BOXING FROM THE OLYMPIC. I never missed those.I wonder if any are on dvd?

One possible answer to your question is : Probably not. Back during the 1950's when boxing was on TV it was franchised out by the TV stations owners and was permitted to be kept in film form licensee rights by Big Fights Inc. I dont know the original owners of Big Fights Inc or its beginnings,nor its agreement, but nonetheless Big Fights Inc eventually ended up in the hands of Jim Jacobs. Jim was an avid Handball Amateur Champion and well known for that activity. Jim was the sole owner of Big Fights Inc at least by 1970.
(My father had some business with him in getting copies of some of his fight films).

Everytime a former fight film was shown on TV,in a movie or movie playhouse, Big Fights got a pct. Along came Bill Cayton in the late 1970's or 1980's and Jim & Bill merged as partners. They still owned the rights up through that point. When Cus D'Amato passed on ,Jim & Bill became mgrs of Mike Tyson,with Kevin Rooney the trainer.
You might have read that Mike enjoyed watching films of the past greats so he tried to pick up on some stances or training methods of those in the past.
Mike actually became very astute at boxing history because of Jim's and Bill's collection.

Jim Jacobs passed on and Bill took control of the business. With Tyson fleeing to King, and then Bill passing away-the business and its rights ended up with Bill Cayton Jr.
I had some business with Bill Jr trying to buy my fathers films and its rights but he already sold them to ESPN/Disney. Hence you see these classics on ESPN Classic Channel. (AND I ADD- RARELY ANYWHERE ELSE !)
Though I do not know exactly if they own the Olympic TV fights from back then, my gut feeling is that do, however-thankfully many of these fights emerged on the underground film collectors market years ago (copies) and technology today has brought them to life via Youtube and other sites.

Many private collectors exist out there somewhere who just might have copies of great fights yet seen. Archie Moore owned a copy of my dads fight with him,but never brought another copy to New York for my dad to have.
Archie had 100's of his fights in his personal collection at the time of his death.
I read somewhere they were auctioned off to another private collector somewhere for $300,000. Collector unknown.
Though not positive where those Olympic fight films are-maybe they were not recorded on celluloid or taped at all.My guess is they are in someones attic somewhere. Or Disney. Good luck trying to find out from them.

**** Just saw what you wrote Rick in response*****
If they were stolen, they probably sit in a private collection. Hopefully they still exist as a set. Maybe they were sold and ended up in Bill Cayton Jr's hands and eventually went to Disney. If thats the case-then kiss them goodbye as they sit in a huge vault here in New York-climate controlled. What a waste-hopefully they will show themselves some day on Youtube.

thank you mr norkus. i will check the classic espn. thank you again

[Rick Farris]

I didn't write that; Frank did. I'm not going to make fun of my fellow Scandinavian for his failed effort in unseating Big Manuel until after I conquer the giant burrito in June.

I have faith in you Tom, you show these guys what a norseman can do

Kid Burrito vs Big Tom "KO" Ray...The odds favor the house fighter...

There should be a law against it. Tom was just released from the hospital. At his age, it could be fatal.
Let Remy try again. He's a young guy, we don't care if he goes to the hospital, it'll just make for a better story.

[kikibalt]

I have faith in you Tom, you show these guys what a norseman can do

Kid Burrito vs Big Tom "KO" Ray...The odds favor the house fighter...

There should be a law against it. Tom was just released from the hospital. At his age, it could be fatal.
Let Remy try again. He's a young guy, we don't care if he goes to the hospital, it'll just make for a better story.
Tom, sit back and enjoy watching the kids figure out common sense.

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

[coach greg v]

Kid Burrito vs Big Tom "KO" Ray...The odds favor the house fighter...

There should be a law against it. Tom was just released from the hospital. At his age, it could be fatal.
Let Remy try again. He's a young guy, we don't care if he goes to the hospital, it'll just make for a better story.
Tom, sit back and enjoy watching the kids figure out common sense.

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

>oh go ahead try. Like the old timers at newmans gym in sf used to tell me at least 30 times a day. THE TROUBLE WITH YOU YOUNG PUNKS YOUVE NEVER SEEN A REAL FIGHTER!!!!

[Rick Farris]

Kid Burrito vs Big Tom "KO" Ray...The odds favor the house fighter...

There should be a law against it. Tom was just released from the hospital. At his age, it could be fatal.
Let Remy try again. He's a young guy, we don't care if he goes to the hospital, it'll just make for a better story.
Tom, sit back and enjoy watching the kids figure out common sense.

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

Tom's too tall to rush to County General in my SUV, maybe somebody will have long bed pick-up truck?
We could call an ambulance? But sometimes you wait for awhile in the barrio.
Not that anything bad is going to happen, but just in case.
That Manuel is a BIG bastid!

[kikibalt]

There should be a law against it. Tom was just released from the hospital. At his age, it could be fatal.
Let Remy try again. He's a young guy, we don't care if he goes to the hospital, it'll just make for a better story.
Tom, sit back and enjoy watching the kids figure out common sense.

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

Tom's too tall to rush to County General in my SUV, maybe somebody will have long bed pick-up truck?
We could call an ambulance? But sometimes you wait for awhile in the barrio.
Not that anything bad is going to happen, but just in case.
That Manuel is a BIG bastid!

I have a long bed pick up....The cholos will steal the tires of the ambulance before we can get Tom in it, the barrio is tough on a white boy, you Rick gets by in the barrio because you have spent some time there, plus they remember you stepping into the ring at the Olympic wearing that red robe of yours with the Mexican flag on the back, they have your back....

[coach greg v]

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

Tom's too tall to rush to County General in my SUV, maybe somebody will have long bed pick-up truck?
We could call an ambulance? But sometimes you wait for awhile in the barrio.
Not that anything bad is going to happen, but just in case.
That Manuel is a BIG bastid!

I have a long bed pick up....The cholos will steal the tires of the ambulance before we can get Tom in it, the barrio is tough on a white boy, you Rick gets by in the barrio because you have spent some time there, plus they remember you stepping into the ring at the Olympic wearing that red robe of yours with the Mexican flag on the back, they have your back....

> I was wondering how ricky survived down there now i kow!!!rothfl

[coach greg v]

Tom needs to sign a release liability form before he takes on Kid Burrito...

Tom's too tall to rush to County General in my SUV, maybe somebody will have long bed pick-up truck?
We could call an ambulance? But sometimes you wait for awhile in the barrio.
Not that anything bad is going to happen, but just in case.
That Manuel is a BIG bastid!

I have a long bed pick up....The cholos will steal the tires of the ambulance before we can get Tom in it, the barrio is tough on a white boy, you Rick gets by in the barrio because you have spent some time there, plus they remember you stepping into the ring at the Olympic wearing that red robe of yours with the Mexican flag on the back, they have your back....

> I was wondering how ricky survived down there now i kow!!!rothfl[/quote]
>that was also before the colors took on new meaning. lol