Cuban "defectors"

Hesketh Vampire · Post by **Hesketh Vampire** » 22 Jun 2005, 17:30

Can anyone tell me, what exactly is the legal status of Cuban "defectors" back home in Cuba when they seek political asylum in the United States? I just wonder what life is like for these guys who jump ship, does the Cuban government stop their families from joining them in their new country? And can they ever return to Cuba as foreign citizens?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jun 2005, 18:45

Cuban defectors have no status in Cuba. I doubt they will ever be allowed to return as long as Castro is in power and the U.S. won't allow travel between the countries. Most of them leave families in Cuba with no plans of being with them.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 22 Jun 2005, 18:50

Juan Carlos Gomez was allowed to go back and visit his children and other family on Cuba earlier this year.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jun 2005, 18:53

When I spoke with Joel Casamayor several years ago, he told me that he wouldn't be able to go back and would probably not see his family for many years. Maybe Castro is beginning to mellow.....?????

Hesketh Vampire · Post by **Hesketh Vampire** » 24 Jun 2005, 12:37

That's pretty rough. Are Cuban nationals not allowed to travel to foreign countries? It's hard to imagine what everyday Cuban life is like.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jun 2005, 14:04

Cuban teams/entertainers have no problem going outside of Cuba for sanctioned and/or scheduled events. I know that Cubans can't tourist visit the U.S. and vice versa.

aldo · Post by **aldo** » 24 Jun 2005, 14:39

Reason why I could know, who goes away bad of Cuba is sanctioned 5 years without being able to return. It is not that it agrees (I am not it), but is thus. My wife (bah, future wife) is Cuban, and with the subject of the proceedings so she leaves to Argentina, I was finding out on that subject.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 13 Jul 2005, 23:25

Read that Cuban Olympian Joan Pablo Hernandez defected earlier this year in Germany. Hernandez was the weakest boxer in the Cuban National team and reached the Olympics only because of a misunderstanding that led to leave out Cuban No 1 Yohanson Martinez. Hernandez lost in his first bout vs russian Evgeny Makarenko and I doubt he'll go far as a pro. He's slow and easy to hit. He hits hard though.

Venceremos · Post by **Venceremos** » 19 Jul 2005, 11:58

Have you more information about Yoan Pablo Hernández?

In 2005 he was heavyweight cuban national champion, semi-finalist at Grand Prix Usti Nad Labem and finalist at Chemiepokal Cup.

I have these of his recent amateur bouts:

Jan-26 91kg Luis Pons CUB RSC 3. Cienfuegos, Cuba.
Jan-27 91kg Dairon Rodriguez CUB W 17:5. Cienfuegos, Cuba.
Jan-29 91kg Luis Ortiz CUB W 22:18. Cienfuegos, Cuba. Gold medal.
Apr-06 91kg Mihalis Aslanidis GRE W 21:5. Usti, Czech Republic.
Apr-07 91kg Mihai Muntean MLD W 16:4. Usti, Czech Republic.
Apr-08 91kg Rakhim Csakhijev RUS L 6-25. Usti, Czech Republic. Bronze medal.
Apr-15 91kg Zhenis Taumurinov KZK W 19:14. Halle, Germany.
Apr-16 91kg Alexander Povernov GER L 15:27. Halle, Germany. Silver medal.

Gary_V · Post by **Gary_V** » 20 Jul 2005, 09:15

Cubans consider defectors as the scum of the earth.

US govt. likes to call them 'freedom seekers'.

Put it this way, they tend to be treated with contempt by not just Castro but the Cuban people.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 20 Jul 2005, 10:47

Venceremos wrote:Have you more information about Yoan Pablo Hernández?

2002 World Junior champion
2003 Pan Am games silver medallist

Look at http://www.eaba.org at 2003 and 2004 results for more info.

Venceremos · Post by **Venceremos** » 20 Jul 2005, 11:55

And what he does now?

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 21 Jul 2005, 11:39

Gary V. writes:

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Cubans consider defectors as the scum of the earth.

US govt. likes to call them 'freedom seekers'.

Put it this way, they tend to be treated with contempt by not just Castro but the Cuban people.
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Wrong, amigo. Castro - not the Cubans- consider them scum. On the other hand, most of us Cubans consider Castro as scum. Don't believe totalitarian propaganda. And they are freedom seekers.

Casamayor, Hurtado and all others are heroes to the Cubans both in and out of the island.

I suggest you read "In the Red Corner" where one can see the exploitation of the amateur athlete by a totalitarian system.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Jul 2005, 11:48

Where do I get a copy of "In The Red Corner?"

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 21 Jul 2005, 12:40

Through Amazon. It was published in the UK.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Jul 2005, 12:47

Just did a search on Amazon - not showing a book with that exact name. Any suggestions???

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 21 Jul 2005, 13:33

Here you go:

http://www.sportsbooksdirect.co.uk/prod ... rodID=1530

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Jul 2005, 14:10

Thanks! Just ordered.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jul 2005, 11:17

Enrique - just received the following email - I'm bummed.

"Thank you for your order, unfortunately the book "In the Red Corner" has gone out of print and is no longer available. Apologies for the inconvenience."

Hesketh Vampire · Post by **Hesketh Vampire** » 22 Jul 2005, 14:18

boxmel wrote:Enrique - just received the following email - I'm bummed.

"Thank you for your order, unfortunately the book "In the Red Corner" has gone out of print and is no longer available. Apologies for the inconvenience."

That is an excellent book, and I'm sure I have it kicking about somewhere in a box. If you really want a copy I will rummage around and see if I can send it to you. It's a very interesting insight for the serious amateur boxing fan such as yourself.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jul 2005, 14:30

Thanks much! I've sent you a private message regarding the book.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jul 2005, 17:33

Hesketh and Venceremos - just on a whim, I did some internet searching and came up with http://www.abebooks.com who has 16 listings for the book "In The Red Corner." Prices range from USD24.00 to $8.00. I purchased the cheapest book and with long-range shipping, cost is USD$16.++.

Maybe Venceremos can also order his own copy and all three of us will have our own to love and cherish.

Again, Hesketh - many, many thanks for your help and offer to send your very own copy.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Jul 2005, 13:24

Hernandez turns pro on a Sauerland Event promoted card on september 3rd.

If any of you got more info to add to his Wiki you can do it here: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/B ... dez:324252

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 10 Sep 2005, 19:40

[quote="enrique"]Gary V. writes:

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Cubans consider defectors as the scum of the earth.

US govt. likes to call them 'freedom seekers'.

Put it this way, they tend to be treated with contempt by not just Castro but the Cuban people.
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Wrong, amigo. Castro - not the Cubans- consider them scum. On the other hand, most of us Cubans consider Castro as scum. Don't believe totalitarian propaganda. And they are freedom seekers.

Casamayor, Hurtado and all others are heroes to the Cubans both in and out of the island.

I suggest you read "In the Red Corner" where one can see the
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thanks for exposing the LEFTIST PROPAGANDA that so many euros have accepted as truth!!!

Gary_V · Post by **Gary_V** » 14 Sep 2005, 06:30

shoutout2u wrote:
enrique wrote:Gary V. writes:

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Cubans consider defectors as the scum of the earth.

US govt. likes to call them 'freedom seekers'.

Put it this way, they tend to be treated with contempt by not just Castro but the Cuban people.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

Wrong, amigo. Castro - not the Cubans- consider them scum. On the other hand, most of us Cubans consider Castro as scum. Don't believe totalitarian propaganda. And they are freedom seekers.

Casamayor, Hurtado and all others are heroes to the Cubans both in and out of the island.

I suggest you read "In the Red Corner" where one can see the
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thanks for exposing the LEFTIST PROPAGANDA that so many euros have accepted as truth!!!

....and thankyou for demonstraing the response of those from outside Cuba, taking in by AMERICAN PROPAGANDA...!

Cuban "defectors"

Cuban "defectors"

Yoan Pablo Hernández

Re: Yoan Pablo Hernández

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