The Super Six: Top Candidates (HW)

[Crease]

Season's greetings to all. I shall not be online over the Christmas period (the next week or so) and so as a parting gift to you all, here are the updated (to Week 34) records for the top 10 most successful fighters in this Sim season.

Rocky Marciano: (BoxBuzz)
Accolades:
Spent most weeks ranked as The Number One fighter in The Sim.
Best record in the Sim.
Quickest Man to win 3 World Titles

Individual Titles:
x2 time WBC Champion (Weeks 10, 26)
x1 time WBO Champion (Week 14)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 16)

Muhammad Ali: (Kevo)
Accolades:
Million Dollar Tournament Champion: (Perfect Tournament Record of 7 wins from 7 fights)
Original WBC Champion: (Week 7)
Consistent top 3 ranking.

Individual Titles:
x2 time WBC Champion (Weeks 7, 32)
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 25 )

Jack Dempsey: (Jbacca)
Accolades:
Original WBO Champion (Week 7)
Longest Major Title Reign (7 WBO defences between Week 8-14)
ONLY fighter to do “The Grand Slam” by winning all four major Titles
Consistent top 3 ranking.

Individual Titles:
x2 time WBO Champion (Weeks 7, 34)
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 14)
x1 time WBC Champion (Week 22)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 25)

Joe Louis: (Crease)
Accolades:
Twice avoided by World Champions whom refused a Mandatory Challenge against Louis.
Peter Jackson was stripped by the WBO in Week 19.
Rocky Marciano was stripped by the IBF in Week 21.
Consistent top 5 ranking.

Individual Titles
x2 time WBO Champion (Weeks 16, 27)
x2 time IBF Champion (Weeks 22, 33)
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 13)

Peter Jackson: (Ben K)
Accolades:
First man to hold 5 World Titles
Joint most successful champion of a boxing body (4 WBC Crowns)

Individual Titles:
x4 time WBC Champion (Weeks 9, 12, 20, 23)
x1 time WBO Champion (Week 17)

Mike Tyson: (Glittermonkey)
Accolades:
Original WBA Champion (Week 7)
Joint most successful champion of a boxing body (4 WBA Crowns)

Consistent top 10 ranked fighter.

Individual Titles:
x4 time WBA Champion (Weeks 7, 12, 21, 31)

Jack Johnson: (P4P1)
Accolades:
Prizefighter Series One Champion (Week 10)
Million Dollar Tournament Second Round (Week 20)
Consistent top 10 ranked fighter.

Individual Titles:
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 14)
x1 time WBC Champion (Week 24)

Larry Holmes: (Armageto)
Accolades:
The most improved fighter in the second half of the season.

Individual Titles:
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 22)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 27)

Joe Jeanette: (Deno1986)
Accolades:
Million Dollar Tournament Semi Finalist (Tournament record of 5 wins, 1 loss)
Prizefighter Series One Quarter Finalist
Longest Minor World Title reign (7 WBU defences from Weeks 13-19)
Three time Defender of the WBU Title ( Weeks 13, 14, 15)

Individual Titles:
x1 time WBA Champion (Week 30)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 23)
x1 time WBU Champion (Week 13)

[jBacca]

Title fight records would help. Does the commish have easy access to these?

[Crease]

Those who just missed out of consideration were:
Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko and Joe Frazier.

Lewis has been unstable on year, he has struggled for consistency and although he has had 2 major World Title reigns... He could not be described as a top fighter this season.

The elder Klitschko's case is very much like Lennox's, with 2 title triumphs but little or no consistently high ranking...

Joe Frazier has only had the one major title reign, but that combined with two smaller triumphs of the WBU strap just aren't enough for a top 6 consideration.

Anyway, here is how they break down:

Joe Frazier: (DetroitHxc)
Accolades:
Original WBU Champion (Week 6)
Three Time Defender of WBU Title (Week 7, 8, 9)
Million Dollar Tournament knocked out third in Group E

Individual Titles
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 12)
x1 time WBU Champion (Week 6)

Lennox Lewis: (Sav)
Accolades:
None

Individual Titles:
x1 time WBC Champion: (Week 16)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 32)

Vitali Klitschko: (The End)
Accolades:
Prizefighter Series One Semi Finalist
Prizefighter Series Two Finalist

Individual Titles:
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 13)
x1 time WBC Champion (Week 21)

[Crease]

Title fight records would help. Does the commish have easy access to these?

Yes he does. I was in the process of recording every title fight, but my computer crashed 2 weeks ago.


Even so Mr. Jbacca, I don't think that title fights tell the whole story do you?

I am just voting for who I think are the 6 best fighters this season.

[Crease]

I'm voting:
Marciano, Ali, Dempsey, Louis, Jackson & Tyson...

[JDC]

Where the fuck is Schmeling?

[armageto]

Quality of opponents is left out, which plays a major factor...

[jBacca]

Quality of opponents is left out, which plays a major factor...

Good shout.

[Techno89]

I'm voting for:

Ali
Marciano
Louis
Tyson
Johnson
Dempsey

[Fist of Legend]

Ali
Marciano
Dempsey
Louis
Jackson?
Tyson?
?
I'm having trouble making a decision, I need to see title defenses and quality of opposition before making my decision, the first four I picked should be a lock but the rest i'm unsure about, Jackson and Tyson won alot of belts but they also lost the title just as many times, length of title reigns plays a part of my decision here, so i'm holding off till I can see those stats.

[Sweet P]

Jackson beat Tyson, Dempsey,Ali, Marciano

[Sweet P]

I will have to check, but im sure Jackson beat Tyson twice . And will also beat him this week.

[jBacca]

Title fight records would help. Does the commish have easy access to these?

Yes he does. I was in the process of recording every title fight, but my computer crashed 2 weeks ago.


Even so Mr. Jbacca, I don't think that title fights tell the whole story do you?

I am just voting for who I think are the 6 best fighters this season.

Title fight records are important as they do tell a better picture.

E.g. Louis is a 5 or 6 time champion as is Jackson. Then you've got Dempsey who's on a similar stat but who has been far more consistent at the top.

[glittermonkey]

I will have to check, but im sure Jackson beat Tyson twice . And will also beat him this week.

I'll save you the trouble of checking: They've never fought.

Also, this isn't a title fight, which means it's a certain Tyson win.

[Deno1986]

Jeannette's performances in recent weeks have definitely ruled him out.

[allworld80]

Marciano is 10-1-1 in title fights (29-4-1 overall)

Wins

Jackson
Charles
Dempsey
Vitali
Tyson
Johnson
Jeannette
Frazier
Tua
Wills

Losses

Jackson

Draw

Johnson

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Ali is 10-3-1 in title fights (28-5-1 overall)

Wins

Louis
Mcvey
Holmes
Stribling
Charles
Stribling
Wlad
Tunney
Liston
Tyson

Losses

Jackson
Dempsey
Jeannette

Draw

Tunney

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Joe Louis is 9-5 in title fights (26-6-2 overall)

Wins

Tyson
Dempsey
Foreman
Jeffries
Haye
Moore
Norton
Lewis
Tunney

Losses

Ali
Johnson
Jackson
Dempsey
Jeannette

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Dempsey is 14-6 in title fights (25-7-2 overall)

Wins

Tunney
Stribling
Wills
Liston
Mcvey
Johnson
Ali
Stribling
Louis
Charles
Vitali
Jeannette
Jackson
Foreman

Losses

Marciano
Louis
Tyson
Jackson
Holmes
Foreman

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Jack Johnson is 3-2-1 in title fights (27-8-1 overall)

Wins

Louis
Tunney
Jackson

Losses

Dempsey
Marciano

Draw

Marciano

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Peter Jackson is 6-3-1 in title fights (23-8-2 overall)

Wins

Ali
Marciano
Louis
Tunney
Lewis
Dempsey

Losses

Marciano
Johnson
Dempsey

Draw

Tunney

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Holmes is 7-3-1 in title fights (23-9-2 overall)

Wins

Tyson
Stribling
Vitali
Dempsey
Bowe
Braddock
Fox

Losses

Vitali
Ali
Lewis

Draw

Young

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Mike Tyson is 4-8 in title fights (24-10-0 overall)

Wins

Fox x2
Dempsey
Jeannette

Losses

Baer
Louis
Lewis
Marciano
Holmes
Tunney
Wills
Ali

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Max Schmeling is 0-1 in title fights (21-10-3 overall)

Loss

Wills

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Gene Tunney is 5-6-2 in title fights (22-9-3 overall)

Wins

Stribling
Fox
Mcvey
Charles
Tyson

Losses

Dempsey
Johnson
Jackson
Jeffries
Ali
Louis

Draws

Ali
Jackson

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Joe Jeannette is 3-3 in title fights (20-11-3 overall)

Wins

Louis
Foreman
Ali

Losses

Dempsey
Marciano
Tyson

[allworld80]

And for the record, this new format is utter crap. Could be the death of Boxrec.

[kevo]

Ali also has an early season win over Jackson.

Agree about the format, sucks horse cock.

[Deno1986]

And for the record, this new format is utter crap. Could be the death of Boxrec.

It's only a Christmas themed format, Grinch. Should be back to normal in a few days.

[armageto]

I don't think people are looking at resumes as a whole. There is a top vote getter, that in all honesty, I don't see how he would be in.....

[Crease]

Where the fuck is Schmeling?

He is not in contention, as he hasn't been in the top 12 most succesful fighters this season...

Besides, you don't really think that he is in the top 6 fighters do you?

[Crease]

Louis is a 5 or 6 time champion as is Jackson. Then you've got Dempsey who's on a similar stat but who has been far more consistent at the top.

That is an exhaggeration Jai. Dempsey has not been "far more consistent" than Joe, Louis has also done well agaoinst other top 10 fighters this season.

[Crease]

Frankly I am surprised that Joe Louis has received so little votes. I can only assume that other Managers are letting their dislike of me reflect in ther chices and as such, are not being objective...

Marciano, Ali & Dempsey have probably been the top 3 ranked fighters consistently throughout this season... But Joe Louis is porbably the number 4.

Louis should be in ahead of Tyson, Johnson, Holmes, Lewis, Jeanette & Jackson.

Tyson has been inconsistent against top fighters...(4-8 in title fights)

Lennox Lewis has dipped out of the top 10 rankings on numerous occasions, and due to this he could not be said to be in the top 6 fighters.

Peter Jackson (twice) avoided mandatory challenges for world title(s)... his is perhaps the reason he has had so many title reigns, once he wins a title, he drops it and is in the title fightoff the following week.

Also, Jackson spent a 5-week spell outside of the top 10 rankings, and he's had a poor second half of the season.

Larry Holmes had a terrible first 20 weeks of the season... This weigh down his prospects a hell of a lot.

Joe Jeanette overachieved this season, but he didn't spend that many weeks as a top 10 fighter. And is his WBU reign against second-rate fighters really good enough to put him in the top 6?

Unlike Holmes and Jackson (who have both had poor half-seasons)... Joe Louis has been a consistent top 10 fighter all throughout the season, his ranking never slipped out of the title rankings.
And, he was twice avoided as a mandatory challenger, making him offically the most ducked fighter in the Sim.

[armageto]

Larry Holmes had a terrible first 20 weeks of the season... This weigh down his prospects a hell of a lot.

Unlike Holmes and Jackson (who have both had poor half-seasons)... Joe Louis has been a consistent top 10 fighter all throughout the season, his ranking never slipped out of the title rankings.

Holmes had a bad opening 8 weeks of the season, not 20. Most of his loses have been tough breaks to boot. He has 3 decision losses you could say he easily could have won (One he definitely won), he has two stoppage losses on cuts while up on the cards (One up 14-0 in rounds, complete joke) and he has hanged tough in all his losses but one.

Louis did himself no favors on open defense week, fighting some weak opposition. Plus he's fight what, 8 or 9 cpu controlled fights (At that tiime), and half of those guys never even got picked up to be managed during the season....

Louis should be in the top 6 most likely.......but he has under preformed......

[JDC]

Where the fuck is Schmeling?

He is not in contention, as he hasn't been in the top 12 most succesful fighters this season...

Besides, you don't really think that he is in the top 6 fighters do you?

Look at who has beat while you've been fighting CPUs, you blinkered idiot