Tyson Fury Vacates Titles.

[bripez]

1.72 million viewers for live domestic level boxing is pretty huge, to put it into perspective, man city vs liverpool on sky sports 1 got 1.68 million

You are actually defeating your own argument mate !

What you are saying is that when boxing is on Channel 5 (which to be honest, hardly anyone watches unless Big Brother is on) then it still gets more viewers than a football match between 2 of the biggest teams in the country (and this is for British level fights - and a novice first fight (Eubank Jnr)) !

At the end of the day, when it comes to boxing :

allegedly = tens of thousands of viewers (tops)
Sky = hundreds of thousands of viewers (for World title - eg. Cleverley)
Terrestrial TV (even channel 5) = millions of viewers (for domestic fight, plus on novice debut (Eubank Jnr))

Now, irrespective of the exact actual figures, whether they are peak statistics or average viewing statistics or whatever - I believe that the above represents a reasonable representation.

[earsjohn]

1.72 million viewers for live domestic level boxing is pretty huge, to put it into perspective, man city vs liverpool on sky sports 1 got 1.68 million

You are actually defeating your own argument mate !

What you are saying is that when boxing is on Channel 5 (which to be honest, hardly anyone watches unless Big Brother is on) then it still gets more viewers than a football match between 2 of the biggest teams in the country (and this is for British level fights - and a novice first fight (Eubank Jnr)) !

At the end of the day, when it comes to boxing :

allegedly = tens of thousands of viewers (tops)
Sky = hundreds of thousands of viewers (for World title - eg. Cleverley)
Terrestrial TV (even channel 5) = millions of viewers (for domestic fight, plus on novice debut (Eubank Jnr))

Now, irrespective of the exact actual figures, whether they are peak statistics or average viewing statistics or whatever - I believe that the above represents a reasonable representation.

My next question would therefore be, so what?

So Tyson Fury was seen by 1.7m in his last fight, while Carl Froch and Amir Khan were watched by 250k each. Who made the most money from their fights?

Fury may be getting exposure but I don't see how that translates into something tangible. It's pretty clear that as soon as Tyson is matched in a high profile fight, it will be shown on c5s PPV sister channel, Prime Time. I'm yet to be convinced of the true merits of terrestrial TV for the boxers.

[Ezzard]

I get why Price is favourite but Fury beat Chisora fairly handily and many think Del beat Helenius (who was the next big thing). I didn’t see the fight so can’t comment but Fury, IF DEDICATED, won’t be an easy night’s work for anyone.

[doctorboxing]

My next question would therefore be, so what?

So Tyson Fury was seen by 1.7m in his last fight, while Carl Froch and Amir Khan were watched by 250k each. Who made the most money from their fights?

Fury may be getting exposure but I don't see how that translates into something tangible. It's pretty clear that as soon as Tyson is matched in a high profile fight, it will be shown on c5s PPV sister channel, Prime Time. I'm yet to be convinced of the true merits of terrestrial TV for the boxers.

It means that he would have a much bigger fanbase that would be interested in purchasing his fight.

I rate Price way higher than Fury but my friends have all heard of Tyson Fury and watched his last few fights, whereas none of them have even heard of Price. If Fury went to Primetime, then they might well buy it. If Price was on Primetime or SBO, they couldn't give a monkeys.

[fatcity69]

Fury comes out of this badly which ever way you look at it. Are we really so gullible to belive that Fury is aiming for higher things than Price?... surely if he and his team were so confident about his immenent rise to world domination why would he not want to take on one of his biggest domestic rivals in a fight which already had the fans excited with anticipation!??. A win over Price would have been great for fury, especially after his rather shaky performances on CH5. I actually had high hopes for Fury at one time but he seems to be unravelling and has actually gone back in his last few fights imo and obviously his team has noticed this too hence the sprint away from anything to do with a Price fight.
My advise to Fury would be to pack your bags and head out to America and get some decent sparring and training away from all the problems and distractions at home, have a few fights over there and then come back in 18 months when your ready for Price.

[Dirk Kelly]

I'd rather a Tesco than the friendly convenience store owners who hike up the prices every time a budget is announced or there's a few headlines about a financial dip. My local store owner is 10-15p above most RRPs, the goods are often out of date and the chocolate is allowed to melt in the summer then harden again and it creates a terrible texture.

of course Tesco are cheaper. you idiot. this is the tesco level of argument

what a surprise

Local stores are not socialist enterprises. Actually, my local shopkeeper hikes up prices then retreats to the suburbs every night with the rest of the lower middle class yobbos, maybe she is a socialist. Grow up or stick to discussing heavies.

Suppose there are arguments for and against Tesco's. I went to a conference last year where Terry Leahy spoke about how great Tesco's are, how they listened to the wants and needs of the customer hence rolling out Tesco express'. However my view is they killed off the corner shop in the first place, corner shops buy their wares from Makro or thank ilk so can't compete with the prices Tesco sell at. FFS Makro etc they can't compete with the prices Tesco sell to the consumer at. So that is what kills off the local stores to be replaced by Tesco express' or in my part of the world COOP's which aren't actually that much cheaper than the local corner shop.

I have I kid you not 4 COOP's now all with a half mile of my house. That means our corner shop is going to close. So for us it means no more grabbing some gravy on a Sunday afternoon whislt cooking a roast then bunging him the money in the week. Forgetting the window cleaner is due so he lends you a tenner. Got a plumber coming round, leave the keys with Roy. My daughter of 20 months runs in, says hello wrecks his shop, nicks the pick n mix and he gives her a free fredo for her troubles. All that will be gone to be replaced with a faceless COOP. A pub, corner shop etc are what communities are based around and they are all slowly dying.

On the other hand, yip Roy does lock up his shop at night and drive off to a more middle class neighbour hood. But then again I don't judge him for it, the man is up at 4am to go to Makro and shuts at 8pm, 7 days a week, so fair play to him I say.

Think Malcom X wrote heavily about this in his autobiography.

[JC]

I get why Price is favourite but Fury beat Chisora fairly handily and many think Del beat Helenius (who was the next big thing). I didn’t see the fight so can’t comment but Fury, IF DEDICATED, won’t be an easy night’s work for anyone.

To make that comparison you have to factor in Chisora's conditioning going into the respective fights. At 240 vs Helenius Chisora managed set a pretty good pace and keep it up for most of the fight. At 260 against Fury he had a good burst in the second round and hurt Fury, then had basically shot his wad for the rest of the fight. A couple of times in the last few rounds he was just lying on the ropes, for my money Heleius would have put him away in that state.

But overall I agree I shouldn't be seen as a forgone conclusion by any means.

[Ezzard]

I get why Price is favourite but Fury beat Chisora fairly handily and many think Del beat Helenius (who was the next big thing). I didn’t see the fight so can’t comment but Fury, IF DEDICATED, won’t be an easy night’s work for anyone.

To make that comparison you have to factor in Chisora's conditioning going into the respective fights. At 240 vs Helenius Chisora managed set a pretty good pace and keep it up for most of the fight. At 260 against Fury he had a good burst in the second round and hurt Fury, then had basically shot his wad for the rest of the fight. A couple of times in the last few rounds he was just lying on the ropes, for my money Heleius would have put him away in that state.

But overall I agree I shouldn't be seen as a forgone conclusion by any means.

Do you think he deserved to beat Helenius? Fair point on conditioning....

Agree with FatCity that Fury needs to lose the spare tyre (Larry Holmes was in his 30s before he grew his) and train in the USA.

[bripez]

My daughter of 20 months runs in, says hello wrecks his shop, nicks the pick n mix and he gives her a free fredo for her troubles.

That was funny

I haven't been to the lake district for a few years until last summer.

Anyway, I was looking for a nice little quaint place to get a cup of coffee and piece of cake (ideally home made by an old dear wearing a pinny).

Turning a corner towards lake Windermere I was faced with the usual sight - Starbucks, Costa and the usual suspects ............ proper depressed me it did ....

I must be getting old ......

[Datsue]

of course Tesco are cheaper. you idiot. this is the tesco level of argument

what a surprise

Local stores are not socialist enterprises. Actually, my local shopkeeper hikes up prices then retreats to the suburbs every night with the rest of the lower middle class yobbos, maybe she is a socialist. Grow up or stick to discussing heavies.

Suppose there are arguments for and against Tesco's. I went to a conference last year where Terry Leahy spoke about how great Tesco's are, how they listened to the wants and needs of the customer hence rolling out Tesco express'. However my view is they killed off the corner shop in the first place, corner shops buy their wares from Makro or thank ilk so can't compete with the prices Tesco sell at. FFS Makro etc they can't compete with the prices Tesco sell to the consumer at. So that is what kills off the local stores to be replaced by Tesco express' or in my part of the world COOP's which aren't actually that much cheaper than the local corner shop.

I have I kid you not 4 COOP's now all with a half mile of my house. That means our corner shop is going to close. So for us it means no more grabbing some gravy on a Sunday afternoon whislt cooking a roast then bunging him the money in the week. Forgetting the window cleaner is due so he lends you a tenner. Got a plumber coming round, leave the keys with Roy. My daughter of 20 months runs in, says hello wrecks his shop, nicks the pick n mix and he gives her a free fredo for her troubles. All that will be gone to be replaced with a faceless COOP. A pub, corner shop etc are what communities are based around and they are all slowly dying.

On the other hand, yip Roy does lock up his shop at night and drive off to a more middle class neighbour hood. But then again I don't judge him for it, the man is up at 4am to go to Makro and shuts at 8pm, 7 days a week, so fair play to him I say.

Think Malcom X wrote heavily about this in his autobiography.

Thank, you, Dirk, much the same way I feel.

If you hate everyone, & everyone hates you, like Terence, then shopping at a faceless enormo-store/chain staffed by monged out Latvian students might be your only option (or indeed you might see it as a place of refuge), but for the rest of us human beings there's a bit more to the equation than the extra five pence on the price of my packet of Chocolate Buttons.

[bripez]

How's about this for Price:

- Audley Harrison for the vacant UK title
- Defence against someone like Sexton, Larry, Towers

Nearly right !

If Audley wins his next fight, wait for Audley/Price for the British and Commonwealth titles being built up as though it is Rocky / Apollo Creed.

That fight is at least 6 months away - followed by fights against Larry (who looks good, but is not) followed by Towers (especially if he wins his EU fight - the public won't know the difference between this and the European title anyway).

That will take care of the next 2 years .................. can't wait ....................

[JC]

I get why Price is favourite but Fury beat Chisora fairly handily and many think Del beat Helenius (who was the next big thing). I didn’t see the fight so can’t comment but Fury, IF DEDICATED, won’t be an easy night’s work for anyone.

To make that comparison you have to factor in Chisora's conditioning going into the respective fights. At 240 vs Helenius Chisora managed set a pretty good pace and keep it up for most of the fight. At 260 against Fury he had a good burst in the second round and hurt Fury, then had basically shot his wad for the rest of the fight. A couple of times in the last few rounds he was just lying on the ropes, for my money Heleius would have put him away in that state.

But overall I agree I shouldn't be seen as a forgone conclusion by any means.

Do you think he deserved to beat Helenius? Fair point on conditioning....

My memory is that at the time (only seen it once) is that I though Chisora might have nicked it. I also remember thinking the ref was terrible. I don't think it is was as clear cut as people have made out since. It reminded me a bit of Sturm/Macklin actually, where it probably came down to whether the judges were more impressed by the guy landing volume or the guy snapping his opponent's head back occasionally.

[earsjohn]

it probably came down to whether the judges were more impressed by the guy landing volume or the guy snapping his opponent's head back occasionally.

So that would be Chisora or Chisora.

Not even Helenius seriously thought he'd won that fight.

[JC]

it probably came down to whether the judges were more impressed by the guy landing volume or the guy snapping his opponent's head back occasionally.

So that would be Chisora or Chisora.

Not even Helenius seriously thought he'd won that fight.

Like I said I've only seen it once but from memory Helenius landed a couple big uppercuts that froze Chisora. As I said I thought Chosora nicked it even with the ref against him but I don't think it was a wide victory for him.

[josco]

Whatever the pros and cons there seems little doubt that Fury is stuck with the nickname "Chicken".

[markfightoptions]

1.72 million viewers for live domestic level boxing is pretty huge, to put it into perspective, man city vs liverpool on sky sports 1 got 1.68 million

You are actually defeating your own argument mate !

What you are saying is that when boxing is on Channel 5 (which to be honest, hardly anyone watches unless Big Brother is on) then it still gets more viewers than a football match between 2 of the biggest teams in the country (and this is for British level fights - and a novice first fight (Eubank Jnr)) !

At the end of the day, when it comes to boxing :

allegedly = tens of thousands of viewers (tops)
Sky = hundreds of thousands of viewers (for World title - eg. Cleverley)
Terrestrial TV (even channel 5) = millions of viewers (for domestic fight, plus on novice debut (Eubank Jnr))

Now, irrespective of the exact actual figures, whether they are peak statistics or average viewing statistics or whatever - I believe that the above represents a reasonable representation.

You totally missed my point! :)

What i was saying is that although 1.7 million viewers is huge for domestic level boxing, its only on once in a blue moon and out of sheer novelty factor should perform better than that.

a football match between 2 big clubs (occurs at least twice a week) on a wednesday night on a pay channel got the same amount of viewers.

[fasteddie]

proper sh1t house he knew price was gonna blow his head off and has jumped ship and relinquish his titles,price is the next big thing on the world stage not this pile of sh1te

[Bard of Boxrec]

I wonder if Maloney was in charge of Fury he would have been so keen to get Tyson in with Price...

[Coco]

I am surprised Maloney has not commented, Hennessy is saying he offered 100k for a terrestrial tv shot at the title.
Surely he has a good reason for turning it down unless he does not fancy the job

[cedric_lm]

tyson fury's absolutely barmed it at the thought of pricey smashing him right down the tube and putting him on his arse a few times!!! absolute bottler thought he was better than all that caper!!!

[freddydoesdallas]

My next question would therefore be, so what?

So Tyson Fury was seen by 1.7m in his last fight, while Carl Froch and Amir Khan were watched by 250k each. Who made the most money from their fights?

Fury may be getting exposure but I don't see how that translates into something tangible. It's pretty clear that as soon as Tyson is matched in a high profile fight, it will be shown on c5s PPV sister channel, Prime Time. I'm yet to be convinced of the true merits of terrestrial TV for the boxers.

It means that he would have a much bigger fanbase that would be interested in purchasing his fight.

I rate Price way higher than Fury but my friends have all heard of Tyson Fury and watched his last few fights, whereas none of them have even heard of Price. If Fury went to Primetime, then they might well buy it. If Price was on Primetime or SBO, they couldn't give a monkeys.

Surely this is where a promoter earns his percentage. We'll take the average for Furys last fight as his average on Ch5 for arguements sake. It should be easy to take this figure to sponsors and ask them to put their hand in their pocket to sponsor the ring, ringposts, ring girls, name on Fury's robe, name on Fury's back (in Henna or something), each round, potentially knockdown replays like in the states. Hell they could even sponsor the soles of his opponents feet like they did with Julius Francis!

I'm sure that the right products (energy drink, bookies, beer etc)will be keen to have their product associated with an exciting contest being watched by 1.7 million people!

[keithmoonhangover]

Price should have taken the fight for £100,000. If he beats Fury (which I don't think he will), then he gets MASSIVE exposure on 5.

Big mistake by Price not taking the fight.

[Exoddus]

Price should have taken the fight for £100,000. If he beats Fury (which I don't think he will), then he gets MASSIVE exposure on 5.

Big mistake by Price not taking the fight.

Why take £100,000 from Hennessey if he was going to get more from his own promoter let alone the others? It's dog eat dog and purse bidding enables the boxers and their team the best possible wage. As the highest bidder wins.

If £100,000 was the best offer (which is wasn't going to be). Why didn't Hennessey wait for the outcome of the purse bids? Because he purposely low-balled the other promoters to make sure his offer was rejected.

Fury (more likely his team) has ducked Price. I know you're a Fury supporter but there's nothing you can say to defend this. Your post about taking the £100,000 makes no sense. As the only way to guarantee a boxer the highest pay possible is to let it go to purse bids. Does David Price really need the channel 5 exposure ? I don't think so. Not with his Commonwealth games, Olympic games and his amateur background. He's not short of fights that will gain him exposure. Sexton is on the cards for him now. Once he beats Sexton I'll imagine he'll fight Dereck Chisora. Who by then would be a "world title challenger".

[THEBUTCH]

Very disappointing that Fury has vacated and he's going to get flack, however, Hennessy has supposedly made a good offer (which £100K + Ch5 coverage is) and Maloney has rejected it. Why? The feeble reply i've initially heard is poor.

Whilst it's a real shame Fury has vacated, Hennessy has had terrible problems with mandated matches in the past that have stalled his fighters careers, and it's Mick who gets it in the neck.

I remember Maloney clearly saying Price could fight Fury next IF the fight could be made quickly....so Hennessy's offer seemed to fit the bill.

Hennessy wants to keep the momentum going and it makes sense given the problems he's experienced with the likes of Froch in the past. Would it have killed Maloney to accept a good offer with better TV ? Or do the greedy little Fuckfaces at Sky have to have it all?

[JC]

Very disappointing that Fury has vacated and he's going to get flack, however, Hennessy has supposedly made a good offer (which £100K + Ch5 coverage is) and Maloney has rejected it. Why? The feeble reply i've initially heard is poor.

Whilst it's a real shame Fury has vacated, Hennessy has had terrible problems with mandated matches in the past that have stalled his fighters careers, and it's Mick who gets it in the neck.

I remember Maloney clearly saying Price could fight Fury next IF the fight could be made quickly....so Hennessy's offer seemed to fit the bill.

Hennessy wants to keep the momentum going and it makes sense given the problems he's experienced with the likes of Froch in the past. Would it have killed Maloney to accept a good offer with better TV ? Or do the greedy little Fuckfaces at Sky to have it all?

I don't know much about the business side of things but I would have thought from Sky's point of view it being on Ch5 could have been a good thing. If Price won on terrestrial it would raise his profile and probably bring more viewers in for his future fights on Sky.