Loynesy wrote:Legally, under the British Nationality Act (which I think was 1981), all citizens of the United Kingdom ie Great Britain and Northern Ireland (and some other random places) are deemed to be British Citizens. As others have pointed out, there are then other laws whereby citizens of Northern Ireland and also choose Irish citizenship.AlexY2K4 wrote:This has always genuinely confused me. I can completely accept the fact that Northern Ireland is definitely part of the United Kingdom, but as Great Britain is an island, I've never fully understood the notion that Northern Irish people can even be eligible for British nationality, since they are from the island of Ireland, not Britain. I understand that they are not nationals of the Republic of Ireland, but at the same time, how can they represent an island (Britain) that they are not from?slapbangwhallop wrote: 'they're both actually British' actually they're not.
Everyone from 'Northern Ireland' has always been entitled to an Irish passport. Since the GFA both governments acknowledge that everyone from NI is equally entitled to be considered Irish, British or both and that neither takes precedence over the other until selected. Thems the real facts.
Which leads me to the bit I find most confusing. If Britain is an island and the United Kingdom is the sovereign nation, why do we even have a British nationality? Great Britain is not a recognised sovereign state. I know it would be difficult to find a sensible-sounding name for this nationality, since United Kingdomish would sound utterly ridiculous, but it seems logical, and would certainly clarify the Northern Irish situation, as they are clearly part of the nation of the United Kingdom and not the Republic of Ireland.
Sorry, just a little 2:30am rant.
I agree calling us all British citizens is a bit miselading.
We in the British Isles are all British until we start losing then its "the unfortuneate Scotsman", "the unlucky Irishman" etc. Now I've noticed that British citizen Chisora is now being refered to as Zimbabwean in a few quarters including some forum posts. If he ever wins a world crown he'll revert to being as British as pie and mash.