Opinions on the great mexican champ, Julio Cesar Chavez

cabritox · Post by **cabritox** » 25 Aug 2005, 00:16

Any opinions welcomed.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 25 Aug 2005, 02:42

He looked like a harmless 13 year old choir boy, but beat men like they were dogs.....

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 25 Aug 2005, 05:20

He has to go down in my opinion as one of the ten greatest fighters thru history. Discounting the Heavies, I'd rank him top 6. He was very special and his record was amazing. I think he went 97-0 before Randall beat him, and to be honest...JC's days were gone by that time. He was at his peak in the late 80's/early 90's. His chin and stamina were unreal and his body punching Legendary. He did however lack speed and was a notoriously slow starter, that's why Whitaker and Taylor looked very good against him.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 25 Aug 2005, 06:11

Chavez would have benefited from the old 15 round days of title fights. I'm still not sure he'd have caught up with Whittaker but you never know.

The fiht against Rosario where he just dismantles him was really very very impressive. A true great

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 25 Aug 2005, 11:06

walshb wrote:He has to go down in my opinion as one of the ten greatest fighters thru history. Discounting the Heavies, I'd rank him top 6. He was very special and his record was amazing. I think he went 97-0 before Randall beat him, and to be honest...JC's days were gone by that time. He was at his peak in the late 80's/early 90's. His chin and stamina were unreal and his body punching Legendary. He did however lack speed and was a notoriously slow starter, that's why Whitaker and Taylor looked very good against him.

Whitaker beat JC very clearly (before Randall did) - Whitaker beat him clearly and did so quite easily in fact -

M. Taylor beat JC as well - It was a terrible decision by Steele which allowed JC to get the victory (give all respect to JC because he was going for it) - but Steele should have known the time (all Ref's are aware of the 10 second spot) -

JC was a hell of a fighter but he was clearly beaten by Whitaker -

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Aug 2005, 16:04

Has anyone had a better pound for pound body attack than JCC? You could to a top 5 or 10 on that. I can't imagine anyone Aceing JCC out of the top spot on that score.

cabritox · Post by **cabritox** » 25 Aug 2005, 16:18

In my opinion when JC knocked Taylor out in 12th round, Steele made the correct decision. Taylor was done and on its way. By the way, Taylor was holding on the ropes after being on the canvas, he could not stand for himself!

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 25 Aug 2005, 16:40

Hands like stone and a face made of leather with a wicked body attack ...he was tough! Too bad he proved to be a poor loser.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Aug 2005, 16:50

Maybe Steele made the right decision, I'm sure he loses no sleep, my guess is Taylor would have lived to tell how he won the fight but lost the war. Richard was faced with a decision and he made it. I think he choked in the clutch as a ref. Others think he saved his life. It's only a game, so if thats what Richard was thinking he did do the right thing.

I of course disagree with both Chuck Giampas card and the Ref's decision.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 25 Aug 2005, 17:10

As one sports commentator said in the Chicago area while describing the KO. "Meldrick Taylor is up before the 10 count, but he doesn't know what planet he's on and referee Richard Steele stops the fight'.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Aug 2005, 19:03

Well this planet is overated anyway as I see it. But the oxygen here....well thats another story.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 26 Aug 2005, 00:26

M Talyor was not that out of it in the 12th round - He was definitely rocked...but no more so than Corrales Vs Castillo.

Nor more so then dozens and dozens of other fighters who are allowed back into the fray at least one more time before calling the fight off -

Steele made a terrible decision! Period. M. Taylor's life was not at risk ....that is just hyperbole type talk -

It is the Ref's responsiblility to know when there is 10 seconds left in every round (that is why you see them hit the mat at the 10 sec mark each and every round) - it is for the Ref (and the fighters) to know to be prepared for the end of the round -

If Taylor would have just stayed down!!..he would have been saved by the bell and won!! - Since he wasn't that hurt and could get to his feet...Steele then takes the victory away from him by calling the fight off -

Pure BS -

Additionally then JC goes on to get clowned by Whitaker only to steal a draw -

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 26 Aug 2005, 02:22

Meade, you need to get real mate. Taylor was hospitalised after that fight due to the fact that he swallowed nearly 2 pints of blood, had severe rib brusing and his kidneys were also fucked. What more would you have liked him to suffer before you would say his life was at risk??. You are quite clearly one of these fight fans who is not happy unless he sees a fighter suffer, and unnecessarily suffer...Steele made the call based on the fact that Taylor was CLEARLY unresponsive, had taken a lot of punches thru the fight. Steele said it right when he said..."no fight is worth a mans life"

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 26 Aug 2005, 03:04

If you really watch that fight...Chavez beat the hell out of Taylor. Steele did the right thing. Taylor was out on his feet. That night Chavez beat Taylor's career right out of him....he was finished after that fight.

Once it is beaten out of a fighter, they never get it back.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 26 Aug 2005, 03:29

ringsider wrote:If you really watch that fight...Chavez beat the hell out of Taylor. Steele did the right thing. Taylor was out on his feet. That night Chavez beat Taylor's career right out of him....he was finished after that fight. Once it is beaten out of a fighter, they never get it back.

Exactly. Taylor was never the same fighter again.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 26 Aug 2005, 12:08

2 seconds......it was bullshit!!!!!!!!! the fight should of went to the cards...Steele if your listening I hate u

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 26 Aug 2005, 13:56

Steele if your listening I hate u

No who you really hate is yourself because you picked a loser. You should not be so tough on yourself. Lots of dopes thought Taylor would win, they lost money too.

Cheer up you are not alone.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 26 Aug 2005, 14:20

ringsider wrote:
Steele if your listening I hate u
No who you really hate is yourself because you picked a loser. You should not be so tough on yourself. Lots of dopes thought Taylor would win, they lost money too. Cheer up you are not alone.

He didnt lose,the fight was ended 2 seconds early...blink blink, thats 2 seconds, the stoppage was bullshit. Taylor gave it all he had though , a true Philly warrior .