Enzo Mac and the short 1st round.

[rhino222]

The job of a timekeeper is no easy task. It may sound simple but it needs 100% focus and concentration

Come on mate, get real, its not a difficult job at all, it needs concentration but its hardly rocket science or brain surgery.

imagine if such a lapse of concentration was made by a train or bus driver? a pilot? a surgeon? an olympic athletic judge?.......... its on par with Graham Polls 2 yellow cards for the same player, its inexcusable. The timekeeper gets well paid for doing hardly anything.

If he does not concentrate properly then the round would go on to long, it certainly would not be cut short!!!....think about it. i could see and accept as a mistake the round running over, but not being cut short, the chopper sits there with a digital counter and an analogue watch...he has 2 timepieces.

firstly i thought it was an excusable mistake, but now, because of what i just mentioned, i think there might be some skullduggery involved.

i dont want to think that, but i do!!

[damianhucker1]

I agree rhino , done it enough times to know its easy to accidently let the round run over a few seconds but cant see any reason why it would end early .

[Final round]

Maybe he realised his mistake and ended the minute break to around 25 seconds to make up for the lost time fighting

[GlobalBox]

Got to be honest I am far from a fan of the organisation concerned in the fight and neither am I a fan of the BBBOC.

The latter's distinct interest in the total nonsense that some of our referee's/judges come out with borders on contempt for our sport and the boxers/fans concerned.

However, having said that I cannot believe for one minute this was anything other than total incompetence or cock up or whatever you want to call it, to think it was deliberate
or any sort of skullduggery is in my view simply not the case.

Before anyone says there is any ulterior motive, let me point out that I backed Macarenelli in the first three rounds but also backed McPhilbin at 125/1 in the first round for £10 so in theory
I was pretty close to winning £1250, angry, yes, pissed of yes, skullduggery, no way.

Look at some of the results we see in Germany,Vegas and indeed Britain, now thats skullduggery because you cannot score a fight 10-2 to someone when the rest of the world has it 8-4 to the other guy, thats blatent, this for me is too far the other way and whilst I may be being naive I just cannot see this any other way.

[reggaereggae]

The job of a timekeeper is no easy task. It may sound simple but it needs 100% focus and concentration

Come on mate, get real, its not a difficult job at all, it needs concentration but its hardly rocket science or brain surgery.

imagine if such a lapse of concentration was made by a train or bus driver? a pilot? a surgeon? an olympic athletic judge?.......... its on par with Graham Polls 2 yellow cards for the same player, its inexcusable. The timekeeper gets well paid for doing hardly anything.

If he does not concentrate properly then the round would go on to long, it certainly would not be cut short!!!....think about it. i could see and accept as a mistake the round running over, but not being cut short, the chopper sits there with a digital counter and an analogue watch...he has 2 timepieces.

firstly i thought it was an excusable mistake, but now, because of what i just mentioned, i think there might be some skullduggery involved.

i dont want to think that, but i do!!

Agreed..it's surely the easiest job in boxing? And ringing early is not an easy mistake to make! You have to be stupid, incompetent or have a total failure of equipment

[desperados]

The job of a timekeeper is no easy task. It may sound simple but it needs 100% focus and concentration

Come on mate, get real, its not a difficult job at all, it needs concentration but its hardly rocket science or brain surgery.

imagine if such a lapse of concentration was made by a train or bus driver? a pilot? a surgeon? an olympic athletic judge?.......... its on par with Graham Polls 2 yellow cards for the same player, its inexcusable. The timekeeper gets well paid for doing hardly anything.

If he does not concentrate properly then the round would go on to long, it certainly would not be cut short!!!....think about it. i could see and accept as a mistake the round running over, but not being cut short, the chopper sits there with a digital counter and an analogue watch...he has 2 timepieces.

firstly i thought it was an excusable mistake, but now, because of what i just mentioned, i think there might be some skullduggery involved.

i dont want to think that, but i do!!

Agreed..it's surely the easiest job in boxing? And ringing early is not an easy mistake to make! You have to be stupid, incompetent or have a total failure of equipment

i can't think of any possible explanation other than (edited by mod) why the timekeeper ended the round 47 seconds early with enzo out on his feet.

[Final round]

Come on mate, get real, its not a difficult job at all, it needs concentration but its hardly rocket science or brain surgery.

imagine if such a lapse of concentration was made by a train or bus driver? a pilot? a surgeon? an olympic athletic judge?.......... its on par with Graham Polls 2 yellow cards for the same player, its inexcusable. The timekeeper gets well paid for doing hardly anything.

If he does not concentrate properly then the round would go on to long, it certainly would not be cut short!!!....think about it. i could see and accept as a mistake the round running over, but not being cut short, the chopper sits there with a digital counter and an analogue watch...he has 2 timepieces.

firstly i thought it was an excusable mistake, but now, because of what i just mentioned, i think there might be some skullduggery involved.

i dont want to think that, but i do!!

Agreed..it's surely the easiest job in boxing? And ringing early is not an easy mistake to make! You have to be stupid, incompetent or have a total failure of equipment

i can't think of any possible explanation other than (edited by mod) as to why the timekeeper ended the round 47 seconds early with enzo out on his feet.

Who was this timekeeper? He should be able to answer these accusations.

[orbtastic]

Martin Fallon.

[damianhucker1]

One possible scenario ive thought of is that the timekeeper accidently knocked the bell (could have been reaching for a pen or a glass of water etc ) , then thought oh crap now what and rang it a second time as at that poiny enzo was looking towards the corner so had obviously heard the first bell (which i hadnt ) , he could then have realise he had saved enzos bacon and therfor decided on the short break to not give enzo the right recovery and basically then correct his own error .

would mean a string of bad decisions but i think its a possibility .

[orbtastic]

He was getting some stick for calling/counting two KDs in the 3rd against McPhilbin but given that if you touch down with a glove or knee it's a KD I don't think the criticism is warranted. He then didn't call the KD in the 4th which the ref also ignored (as he did the in the 3rd).

[rhino222]

One possible scenario ive thought of is that the timekeeper accidently knocked the bell (could have been reaching for a pen or a glass of water etc ) , then thought oh crap now what and rang it a second time as at that poiny enzo was looking towards the corner so had obviously heard the first bell (which i hadnt ) , he could then have realise he had saved enzos bacon and therfor decided on the short break to not give enzo the right recovery and basically then correct his own error .

would mean a string of bad decisions but i think its a possibility .

interesting concept....

i think the timekeeper is just a twat!

[JDC]

Right then. I think I have solved the problem:

There was exactly 3 mins between the start of the first round and the start of the second....

...I timed it and it was exactly this...

...the bell rung 12 seconds after Enzo was knocked down...

1) - (I don't know if the timekeeper believed Enzo had failed to make the count and rung the bell to signal the end of the fight)

2) - (he had a brain fart and rung the bell to restart after the knock-down)

3) - (possibly some other reason for a MISTAKE)

... with the digital automation turned on the timekeeper was alerted that HE NEEDED TO RING THE BELL AT EXACTLY 3 MINS AFTER THE FIRST ROUND STARTED. THIS ACTUALLY SIGNALLED THE START OF THE SECOND ROUND INSTEAD.

He made a big cock-up and lost the plot somewhere along the line. The timing of the rings makes me believe this was just a mistake, although a very big one/two.

[JDC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I

[Horse]

Martin Fallon.

Was this his first time timekeeping? Does anyone know the history of this "incompetent" man.

[crusader]

And for those claiming that only 25-30 seconds passed between the end of the first and start of the second, watch again.

42 seconds elapse from the time the bell is rung to end the 1st to the time it is rung to start the 2nd.

[Andypittcov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I

Nice one

Shocking quite simply shocking

[bripez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I

Thanks for the link.

Enzo got up at the count of 9 with 52 seconds on the clock.

The ref. indicated to box on and Enzo started to walk towards his corner and McPhilbin just stood there looking confused at the ref. until the bell went with 47 seconds to go.

How many rounds do boxers train? - they know instinctively when 3 minutes is up. There was a 5 second window when McPhilbin could and should have continued - this does not make it right, but he would have retained the title had he just steamed in.

[JDC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I

Thanks for the link.

Enzo got up at the count of 9 with 52 seconds on the clock.

The ref. indicated to box on and Enzo started to walk towards his corner and McPhilbin just stood there looking confused at the ref. until the bell went with 47 seconds to go.

How many rounds do boxers train? - they know instinctively when 3 minutes is up. There was a 5 second window when McPhilbin could and should have continued - this does not make it right, but he would have retained the title had he just steamed in.

The bell rang before Enzo walked to his corner. You can hear it in the live R1 section, but not in the replay for some reason. It then rang again to confirm, as it seems only Enzo heard it initially.

[smoggy7188]

He was trigger happy and started his clock when they went into get their final insturctions by the look of it, incompetence no other word for it.

[JDC]

He was trigger happy and started his clock when they went into get their final insturctions by the look of it, incompetence no other word for it.

Exactly 3 mins between the start of the 1st and 2nd.

[Horse]

He was trigger happy and started his clock when they went into get their final insturctions by the look of it, incompetence no other word for it.

I can think of other possible words to describe it.

[smoggy7188]

Exactly 3mins from mcphilbin going to get his final instructions to the bell ringing in 1st round.

[JDC]

Another point: think of the ratios

3 mins with 1 min break. = 180:60 = 3:1

2.15mins with 45 sec break. = 135:45 = 3:1

Clock could have been set-up wrong, and he wasn't using a backup. The fault is entirely his, but these numbers are all too cute for be to think anything underhand was the reason.

[JDC]

Exactly 3mins from mcphilbin going to get his final instructions to the bell ringing in 1st round.

Why are you making things up?

I've actually taken the time to test out all these possibilities

[smoggy7188]

11.07 goes for final instructions
14.07 bell goes

Its just an observation, im not saying what your say is incorrect but im just putting what I noticed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwxI6Qvy9I