FURY AND ROGAN TO FIGHT FOR IRISH HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

[Feargal....]

Lloyd Honeyghan banjoed Sylvester Mittee for his welterweight title in 1985, then Kirkland Laing finished Mittee in similar fashion. Thats three British champions in a row and not one of them from Britain or with any British blood in them! Dreary me!

Chisora, Bayaar, Andries, Olusegun, Ochieng, Oboh, Oyebola, Ekubia, Napa, Ampofo, McAlinden, Max Maxwell, Gomez, McGuigan, Bugner, Laing, Honeyghan, Tanveer Ahmed, Funso Banjo, Rebel Roche, Najib Daho, McKenzie (all of them inc Ovill!), I'm sure I could go on. It's a boring subject, the Brits are the worst offenders but somehow always the first to point the finger.

Fury will be the first fighters to fight for an Irish title that didnt have an Irish parent. How many of the above had British parents?

It is only funny when people are joking about "Plastic Paddies". It doesn't matter whether the same can be said about Britain.

Sadly, youre right mate.

It always amazes me how certain English people can be so vocal, in a dismissive and negative way when a person born in England expresses their affection for their Irish heritage... I suspect I know the reason behind such a reaction, but anyhow...

Anti-Irish sentiment, plain and simple.

[jameswilson]

It is only funny when people are joking about "Plastic Paddies". It doesn't matter whether the same can be said about Britain.

Sadly, youre right mate.

It always amazes me how certain English people can be so vocal, in a dismissive and negative way when a person born in England expresses their affection for their Irish heritage... I suspect I know the reason behind such a reaction, but anyhow...

Anti-Irish sentiment, plain and simple.

fornicate me guys give it a fornicating rest will you. You all seem to be lumping us all as a bunch of racists who despise the lot of you on here. I'm English and grew up in Wales, I took some stick at school, got in a load of fights when people called me an English pudendum, a load of the kids and even some of the parents weren't happy that an English lad was Captain of the school rugby team. Funnily enough now when I meet someone Welsh I don't instantly think they hate me or have some sort of complex about the tiny minority who I encountered at school. You guys seem to have taken a bit of racist stick from people in the past and now all you wanna do is whine on.

I don't care whether Tyson Fury is fighting for this title or not, but I'll point out that Tyson Fury has never lived for a concerted period in Ireland nor does he have any Irish parents. The guys you've pointed out had or were all living in the UK and had been for some time when they contested their British titles or World titles. If you can gimme a nice long list of guys who have contested the British title or represented Britain in World title fights who weren't living in Britain and never had and also didn't have British parents then I'm keen to see that list.

When I was in the Navy I always gave my Northern Irish colleagues a bit of banter about the Republic of Ireland football team (a lot of them supported them) in the 1994 World cup when we sit and watch the Republic of Ireland play football saying stuff like 'I'm pretty sure to qualify for Ireland in that tournament you needed to have worn green once in your life.' Amazingly they didn't start crying about this. In my opinion the Irish football team are without doubt the worst for exploiting the 'Granny rule.' For example, the team that famously beat England 1-0 in Stuttgart in the 1988 Euro finals contained just three Irish-born players; Pat Bonner, Steve Staunton and Kevin Moran. The team that defeated Italy 1-0 in Giants Stadium during the 1994 World Cup finals included just four Irish-born players; Packie Bonner; Denis Irwin; Steve Staunton, and Roy Keane. If you guys can find me an England team (or any team) with more players that exploit the 3 year residency, parent or grandparent rule then as I say, please enlighten me.

One of our teams thats pretty chocka with 'plastic Brits' at the mo is our Cricket team. Andrew Strauss, Jonathan Trott, Matt Prior and Kevin Pietersen were born over in South Africa, altho Strauss has lived here since he was 6 and has British parents (as far as I'm aware.) The worst rugby team for exploiting residence or parent/grandparent rule is without doubt the All Blacks, consistently through the last 20 years you can pick out about a third of the team/squad to be non-NZ born, I think the Irish, Scots and South Africans in truth are the only major rugby playing nations not to exploit the rules on what qualifies you to play for your country in rugby tho.

Like I say I say if Tyson Fury wants to fight for the Irish title then fine, if you guys are offended that I consider him to be British but of Irish descent (much like I consider someone like Audley Harrison or Lennox Lewis to be British of Jamaican descent) then fine, have a moan about it.

But anyway. Discuss away gentlemen.

[slapbangwhallop]

[but I'll point out that Tyson Fury has never lived for a concerted period in Ireland.

Thats not correct. He owns property in County Monaghan and was living there solid at one stage and training out of the Smithboro club and also with the Holy Family in Belfast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtPtsXk8EY

Personally, I consider someone that has Irish parentage and considers themselves Irish to be more Irish than a Nigerian/Cuban/Chinese/English guy that moved to Dublin to work at the age of 20 and acquired an Irish passport after marrying an Irish bhurd.

Each to there own, but its fairly fornicating tedious when Brits keep chirping about the subject yet are blinkered to their own far more dubious "acquisitions"

[Craig14]

It's a shame Dorien Darch has only had a handful of fights. Maybe one for down the line. I'm sure Fury can 'find' a welsh grandma aswell

[Coco]

More importantly, I believe Andy Lee's grandfather, this must be genuine despite not being able to find any other evidence, I just can't believe Fury wasn't allowed to box for Ireland in the amateurs

[slapbangwhallop]

More importantly, I believe Andy Lee's grandfather, this must be genuine despite not being able to find any other evidence, I just can't believe Fury wasn't allowed to box for Ireland in the amateurs

I spoke to him in depth about the issue before the Firtha fight. Skip 3.30 into this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDXoGUP8 ... ata_player

[bripez]

“Andy’s father went to the Boxing Union of Ireland and signed an affidavit that my grandmother was Irish so all the talk about me being Irish or not has been put to bed,” explained Fury.

At least that is sorted - for a minute I thought that the authorities might try to blag this one to spice it up as a "title fight", but if Andy Lee's dad says so then it must be true (where is my rubber stamp ?).

[slapbangwhallop]

One has to feel for Fury. If he wins this then goes on to win a world title he’ll forever have to field those tricky, ‘Remember when you fought Martin Rogan in Ireland for the Irish title?’ bombshells. The controversy will overshadow his entire career. People will talk about it on corners (bit of a Corrs riff for yous there) and there is zero likelihood that no one will actually care save the same 5-6 people who have been having this conversation about nationality for, like, ever.

true Tel, true. Mea cupla. mea cupla, mea maxima culpa.

[Finch]

Price is the most overhyped British fighter by a long distance.

Re Price - is he really?

Is Price overrated?

Goalposts moved old chap.

[Horse]

Price is the most overhyped British fighter by a long distance.

Re Price - is he really?

Is Price overrated?

Goalposts moved old chap.

I hardly moved them on purpose, if you explained yourself instead of talking about goalposts, then I would have realised I didn't quite respond to your question correctly.

[jameswilson]

[but I'll point out that Tyson Fury has never lived for a concerted period in Ireland.

Thats not correct. He owns property in County Monaghan and was living there solid at one stage and training out of the Smithboro club and also with the Holy Family in Belfast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtPtsXk8EY

Personally, I consider someone that has Irish parentage and considers themselves Irish to be more Irish than a Nigerian/Cuban/Chinese/English guy that moved to Dublin to work at the age of 20 and acquired an Irish passport after marrying an Irish bhurd.

Each to there own, but its fairly effing tedious when Brits keep chirping about the subject yet are blinkered to their own far more dubious "acquisitions"

Oh for sure Tyson Fury is more Irish than someone like Dylan Hartley or Greg Ruzedski but by the same token I personally consider him less Irish than a lot of some of the guys people have said aren't Brits in this thread, guys who've lived here since they were like 6 years old etc and who probably have a lot more in common with us Brits than the people in the countries of their birth based on their upbringing.

The main bone of contention I was bringing up was the guys saying that people on this board hate the Irish which is just not the case. Whenever I'v played been over to Ireland whether it be to play rugby or to play poker nigh on every Irishman I'v spoken to and drunk with has always been sound as a pound and we've always got on pretty well, we have way more in common than most Irish people like to let on, with our sport, drinking and gambling cultures. And yet on here reading some of the stuff between us you'd be forgiven for thinking there was an actual war going on at the moment between the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

[desperados]

what a big scaredy cat plastic paddy

[Horse]

Goalposts moved old chap.

I hardly moved them on purpose, if you explained yourself instead of talking about goalposts, then I would have realised I didn't quite respond to your question correctly.

And to answer your question, yes I think he is the most overhyped British boxer. Who is more overhyped than Price at the moment? I can't think of anyone.

[slapbangwhallop]

Oh for sure Tyson Fury is more Irish than someone like Dylan Hartley or Greg Ruzedski but by the same token I personally consider him less Irish than a lot of some of the guys people have said aren't Brits in this thread, guys who've lived here since they were like 6 years old etc and who probably have a lot more in common with us Brits than the people in the countries of their birth based on their upbringing.

The main bone of contention I was bringing up was the guys saying that people on this board hate the Irish which is just not the case. Whenever I'v played been over to Ireland whether it be to play rugby or to play poker nigh on every Irishman I'v spoken to and drunk with has always been sound as a pound and we've always got on pretty well, we have way more in common than most Irish people like to let on, with our sport, drinking and gambling cultures. And yet on here reading some of the stuff between us you'd be forgiven for thinking there was an actual war going on at the moment between the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

I agree with a lot of that, I live in England, have done for as many years as I have in Ireland nearly. I've not problem whatsoever with English people, as plenty of people on here that know me will attest to. I wouldnt be here if I did.

The issue is that some British posters will immediately raise the issue of nationality as get all derisory as soon as a fighter born in England makes noises about being Irish or fighting for an Irish title, however, you didnt see Irish posters starting threads or getting all píssy when freshly acquired Brits fight for the British title etc.

It's fookin boring!

[yiddo14]

To be fair to Dylan Hartley is mum is English and he moved to England aged 14.

[jameswilson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLANt12I ... re=related

Dunno if someone has heard this. Saw it when I looked for the Fury v Rogan announcement on youtube.

[GlobalBox]

Does this mean it will be 10 rounds are Ireland one of the countries whose national titles are over that distance or are they 12 round fights. Pretty sure they are over 10 rounds tbh.

Anyone know?

10 rounds, like the majority of national titles as far as I am aware.

Slap' can you confirm it's 10 rounds mate, boxrec have it as 12 and so do many of the bookies just wondering as fancy a bet on this not going the distance.

[slapbangwhallop]

Does this mean it will be 10 rounds are Ireland one of the countries whose national titles are over that distance or are they 12 round fights. Pretty sure they are over 10 rounds tbh.

Anyone know?

10 rounds, like the majority of national titles as far as I am aware.

Slap' can you confirm it's 10 rounds mate, boxrec have it as 12 and so do many of the bookies just wondering as fancy a bet on this not going the distance.

if it is 12 then it will be the first Irish title fight that I am aware of that is over that distance. It's a 10 rounder.

[GlobalBox]

10 rounds, like the majority of national titles as far as I am aware.

Slap' can you confirm it's 10 rounds mate, boxrec have it as 12 and so do many of the bookies just wondering as fancy a bet on this not going the distance.

if it is 12 then it will be the first Irish title fight that I am aware of that is over that distance. It's a 10 rounder.

Brilliant, thanks mate

[jonny]

Its a 12 rounder with judges as far as I'm aware

[GlobalBox]

Its a 12 rounder with judges as far as I'm aware

Where did you get that from Jonny, National titles are supposed to be 10 rounders, I know many many moons ago they were 12 rounders but
as Slap' says not for a long while.

Have you got a source for this, just curious mate

[jonny]

Its a 12 rounder with judges as far as I'm aware

Where did you get that from Jonny, National titles are supposed to be 10 rounders, I know many many moons ago they were 12 rounders but
as Slap' says not for a long while.

Have you got a source for this, just curious mate

As you say usually area titles are 10 rounds with a scoring referee but been told this will be 12 rounds with judges. From a good source

[slapbangwhallop]

As you say usually area titles are 10 rounds with a scoring referee but been told this will be 12 rounds with judges. From a good source

This isnt an area title fight. Its a national title.

Every Irish title fight since the BUI took over from the IBBoC has been over 10 rounds, why would this be any different?

What exactly is your source?

[safeerah]

Brilliant. Fury vacates the British title because he's petrified of Price, despite the fact it's much bigger money and against tougher opposition and fights for a less prestigious title against a 40 year old who hasn't done anything for a few years now.

Still, I'm sure it's the right move to prepare for a world title.

You are spot on mate, lets be honest most people would go for european title next or an International title against a top 15 heavyweight, not an Irish title, most people could fight for a Irish title from England, as most people have grandparents or great grand parents who are Irish, ridiculous if you ask me, did not Fury get turned down by Ireland for the amateurs before ?

[slapbangwhallop]

Brilliant. Fury vacates the British title because he's petrified of Price, despite the fact it's much bigger money and against tougher opposition and fights for a less prestigious title against a 40 year old who hasn't done anything for a few years now.

Still, I'm sure it's the right move to prepare for a world title.

You are spot on mate, lets be honest most people would go for european title next or an International title against a top 15 heavyweight, not an Irish title, most people could fight for a Irish title from England, as most people have grandparents or great grand parents who are Irish, ridiculous if you ask me, did not Fury get turned down by Ireland for the amateurs before ?

You have to qualify for an Irish passport to be eligible for an Irish title, which is the exact same rules as fighting for a British title.