2012 AIBA Women's World Championships

[emile]

60kg going on now. Chorieva beat Mossely of France, which clinched places for Katie Taylor, Sofiya Ochigava, and the winner between Egner and Jonas. If Jonas wins, she will qualify and Laishram Devi and Dong Cheng will still be in contention for the remaining Asian spot. If Egner wins, Dong Cheng gets it.

And Jonas wins easily, sewing up the final European spot for Great Britain. So, the final spot at this weight will go to the fighter tied to the winner of the Ochigava-Jonas fight, Dong Cheng of China with Ochigava and Devi with Jonas.

Spots for New Zealand, Tunisia, Brazil, Tajikistan, Ireland, Great Britain, Russia, (China or India)

[mirage]

Katie Taylor is N 1, but Ochigava fighting better and she is nice girl but I dont think she will beat Taylor
But I'm hoping Sofiya can knock out Natasha Jonas , and then do the same to Katie
Ochigava is the Queen of femile boxing

[mike222]

This afternoons winners and guaranteed medal winners
48KGS
Josie Gabuco PHI
Svetlana Gnevanova RUS
Xi Shiqi CHN
Nazym Kazibay KAZ
54KGS
Liu Keija CHN
Alexsandra Kulesheva RUS
Christina Cruz USA
Terry Gordini FRA
60KGS
Katie Taylor IRE
Mavzuna Chorieva TJK
Sofia Ochigawa RUS
Natasha Jonas ENG
69KGS
Raquel Miller USA
Irena Poyeteva RUS
Marichelle De Jong HOL
Maria Badulina UKR
81KGS
Yuan Meiqing CHN
Svetlana Kosova RUS
Franchon Crews USA
Timea Nagy HUN
+81KGS
Yulduz Mamatkulova KAZ
Kavita Chalal IND
Li Yunfei CHN
Irena Sineyatska RUS
Congratulations to all

[emile]

at 51kg, Nicola Adams (GBR), Elena Savalyeva (RUS), Karolina Michalczuk (POL) earned spots, as did Cancan Ren (CHN). Either Kim Hye (PRK) and Mary Kom (IND) will make it depending on the outcome of the Adams-Savalyeva semi. Adams' victory also clinched places for Karlha Magliocco (VEN) and Maroua Rahali (TUN), I think.

at 75kg, things are still up in the air. All 4 semifinalists are European, one will not make it. There are 2 Asians for one spot, Li Jinzi (CHN) and Volnova (KAZ) and still 3 eligible fighters for 2 Americas spots. Either Spencer (CAN) or Feitosa (BRA) is now guaranteed one spot. If Marshall beats Vorlopova, Shields (USA) will clinch the other spot.

In the non-Olympic weights, the US fighters are doing great, but still a chance they will only have one Olympian.

[mike222]

Remaining quarter-final winners
51KGS
Elena Saveleva RUS
Nicola Adams ENG
Sensational win for Nicola against a five time world champion
Ren Ren Can CHN
Karolina Michalczuk POL
57KGS
Tiara Brown USA
Svetlana Staneva BUL
Lisa Whiteside ENG
Sandra Kruk POL
64KGS
Pak Kyong PRK
Mikaela Mayer USA
MagdalenaStelmach POL
Daria Abramova RUS
75KGS
Anna Laurell SWE
Elena Vystropova AZE
Savannah Marshall ENG
Nadezhda Torlopova RUS

[galaxy]

In semi-finals
RUS 9
CHN 5
ENG USA 4
POL 3
KAZ UKR 2
HUN IND PHI ITA BUL IRL TJK PRK HOL AZE SWE 1

[mike222]

Qualification update
51 KGS
Karolina Michalczuk POL
Elena Saveleva RUS
Nicola Adams ENG
Karla Magliocco VEN
Marlen Esparza USA
Marouha Rahali TUN
Siona Fernandes NZL-Who did not win a bout
Hye Song Kim PRK or Chungnenang Marykom IND
Ren Ren Can CHN
3 Invitational
60KGS
Katie Taylor IRE
Mavsuna Chorayeva TDK
Sofia Ochigawa RUS
Natasha Jonas ENG
Adriana Araujo BRA
Rim Jouini TUN
Alexis Pritchard NZL-Who had a walkover and then lost to Queen Underwood
1 From Saida Khasenova/Antonina Shevchenko/Dong Cheng/Sarita Laishram
4 Invitational
75KGS
3 from Anna Laurell/Elena Vystropova/Savannah Marshall/Nadezhda Torlopova
LI Jinzhi or Marina Volnova
Edith Ogoke NGA
Naomi Rasmussen AUS
2 from Claressa Shields/Mary Spencer/Roseli Freitas
4 Invitational

[T Duquette]

Is it safe to say that Queen Underwood will get one of those invitational spots?

I would think so.

[gazhartford]

I agree that the qualification system is confusing, and I caution against trusting the person / people who are updating the Wikipedia. I say this for several reasons:

(1) at the end of the official AIBA document re: qualification (see footnote 12 on Wiki) AIBA twice states that only 24 quota spots are available, yet, mathematically, there are 25 available quota spots in their own chart (intentional or incompetence? you make the call);
(2) the same chart refers to the "highest ranked boxers" qualifying, but does not clarify what that means (for those from the same continent who lose in the same round, is it the lucky loser whose opponents go furthest in the tourney? Or, is it per the new women's world ranking list that was just published for the first time prior to the tourney?);
(3) AIBA has not clairifed the confusion, even though coaches and press in China have stated they are confused; (
(4) Wiki pages are created by non-professionals who get facts wrong all the time (as happened in the Canoe/Kayak and Cycling Road race qualification wikis);
(5) under the current system, an athlete can qualify without ever fighting a match (see Siona Fernandez from NZ, in chart); that smacks of unfairness -- but, hey this is boxing.

At this point, I think that the only qualification conclusions that can be safely stated with confidence are for those women who made it to the final eight AND have met the continental quotas. For those folks who lost out in the early rounds (specifically, the five Americas middleweights who all lost in the same round), I am not confident that they will gain an Olympic quota only on the basis of whether their opponent advanced the farthest. Again, the AIBA publication is ambiguous as to what the "highest ranked boxers" mean. My bet is that the AIBA will wait to clarify things until the end of the tournament, when they can see how the chips would fall depending on which way they go with the ambiguity.

[emile]

Is it safe to say that Queen Underwood will get one of those invitational spots?

I would think so.

Has there been any information or rumors or guesses about how the Tripartie Commission plans to dole out the numerous invitational spots? I guess it is possible that with womens' boxing having only a single quaiifying event, they would want to then bring in the best fighters who, for whatever reason, didn't make it through at the world championships.

On the other hand, the purpose of the Tripartite Commission is to 'strengthen the principle of universal representation'. More specifically, the 2012 guidelines state "Invitation places can only be allocated to NOCs with an average of six (6) or less athletes at the last two editions of the Olympic Games.". There is also language regarding reallocation of spots if there are not eligible NOCs, but in boxing there are a lot of small countries with hopeful athletes.

On the other other hand, there are a LOT of these invites for boxing, perhaps more than there are reasonable entrants from such small countries (I think there were only 2 total invites for boxing in boh 2004 and 2008 (which went to war-torn and/or very small nations), compared to 8 men and 11 women this time). Will they look at countries without representatives in men's or women's boxing at these Olympics, irrespective of the 6 overall limit, and take the highest seeded or most successful in qualifying?

Who knows. But I seriously doubt that Queen Underwood is going to get picked, being from a country with a huge number of Olympians and a large number of qualified boxers.

[mike222]

I have just looked at the qualification guidelines issued by the AIBA and there is where we start-they are guidelines not rules.
First you cannot qualify until the invitations are sent to each National Olympic Committee and duly accepted-so presumably a boxer could miss out if say there were discipline problems.
Assuming all is well these are their guidelines:
Quotas per continent
5 Africa
8 Americas
8 Asia
12 Europe
3 Oceania
Of these 24 will come from the qualification tournament,11 from the Triparte agreement and 1 from the hosts.However as two British boxers have qualified this place is transferred to the Triparite agreement
Under the agreement the NOCS must apply for these places-so if there were no applications it would seem these places will revert back to the Qualifier.However whatever happens the continental quotas seem set in stone.
The triparte allocations will be made by the AIBA between 1 May 2012 and 9 July 2012.
Logic would suggest that the places will be won at the qualifier by how you finish-so here is an alternative method.
In the semis there are 10 Europeans,1 Asian and 1 American-could they all qualify? Probably not as only 9 Europeans appear to qualify direct.
The big question is are the continental triparte quotas shown by Wikipedia correct?
They show 1 per weight per continent but how many developing nations are there in European womens boxing?
It still remains unclear to me and we must wait until the AIBA prints the names to be sure.

[T Duquette]

Is it safe to say that Queen Underwood will get one of those invitational spots?

I would think so.

Has there been any information or rumors or guesses about how the Tripartie Commission plans to dole out the numerous invitational spots? I guess it is possible that with womens' boxing having only a single quaiifying event, they would want to then bring in the best fighters who, for whatever reason, didn't make it through at the world championships.

On the other hand, the purpose of the Tripartite Commission is to 'strengthen the principle of universal representation'. More specifically, the 2012 guidelines state "Invitation places can only be allocated to NOCs with an average of six (6) or less athletes at the last two editions of the Olympic Games.". There is also language regarding reallocation of spots if there are not eligible NOCs, but in boxing there are a lot of small countries with hopeful athletes.

On the other other hand, there are a LOT of these invites for boxing, perhaps more than there are reasonable entrants from such small countries (I think there were only 2 total invites for boxing in boh 2004 and 2008 (which went to war-torn and/or very small nations), compared to 8 men and 11 women this time). Will they look at countries without representatives in men's or women's boxing at these Olympics, irrespective of the 6 overall limit, and take the highest seeded or most successful in qualifying?

Who knows. But I seriously doubt that Queen Underwood is going to get picked, being from a country with a huge number of Olympians and a large number of qualified boxers.

I was thinking that they would want to choose her more from a marketing perspective. With Queen being from the US and recieving all of that media attention and all. I would think that the IOC makes most of its money off of the sale of the TV rights to NBC, right?

[emile]

I can't argue with anything gaz said. I work from the assumption that the person updating the Wiki page speaks Azeri and is getting direct transmissions, but maybe not. This qualifying method is consistent with how it was done at the continental qualifiers though, which was pretty arbitrary and matched the Wikipedia information. But it's certainly true that AIBA has not been clear at all who is qualifying in their releases.

Clearly the Tripartite invitations will not follow the 6 places rule. There are only two European countries that met the criteria in 2008, Andorra and San Marino, and I don't think we'll be seeing boxers from those places. They still could be used to encourage countries who failed to place a fighter and therefore spur the development of the sport through the publicity. When I tried to guess the Men's field, I stuck in the highest finisher at each continental qualifier from a country that did not place a men's boxer at any weight, which left me with places for Peru and Guatamala, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan, Croatia and Latvia, Sierra Leone and DR Congo. That would at least address the Tripartitie directive of increased participation, at least in a boxing-specific manner. Queen Underwood would seem to fail at all parts of the Tripartite directive and I think NBC has already paid all it's going to for the Olympics, but who knows.

In boxing news, the semis will be streamed beginning at 2am EST tonight.

[emile]

http://blogs.detroitnews.com/johnniyo/2 ... pic-berth/

Not sure if the writer of this article has any more actual info than we do, but he asserts that Shields will get in if Marshall wins her fight tonight. He says that fighters do win by proxy, but that it is yet unclear what happens when fighters by proxy lose - for example if Marshall loses tonight and Shields and either Spencer or Feitosa are at the same point in the standings but their proxy fighters are both out. Kind of a mess.

The proxy system is full of arbitrary results, but I see no reason to single out Sonia Fernandes. There were only 2 fighters from Oceania and they both lost in their 1st fights. The better question is why don't they fold Oceania and Asia into a single qualifying region?

[saakov]

all results
http://amateur-boxing.strefa.pl/Champio ... s2012.html

[mike222]

Semis going on at the moment-winners and final line ups so far
48 KGS Xu Shiqi CHN v Josie Gabuco PHI
51KGS Nicola Adams ENG v Ren Ren Can IRE
54KGS Terry Gordini ITA v Aleksandra Kulesheva RUS
60KGS Katie Taylor IRE v Sofia Ochigawa RUS
69KGS Maria Badulina UKR v Raquel Miller USA
81KGS Franchon Crews USA v Yuan Meiqing CHN
Tiara Brown has just won her semi-final to guarantee at least three silvers for the US

[mike222]

Two more finals
57KGS Sandra Kruk POL v Tiara Brown USA
64KGS Magdalena Stelmach POL v Pak Ok Kyung PRK
Heartbreak for Mikaela,she loses by one point to the North Korean 24-25-BUT the American girls have exceeded all expectations.Middleweight semis next

[mike222]

Stunning performance from Savannah Marshall as she beats Torlopova 18-10 and will meet Elena Vystropova in the final.This seems to be good news for Claressa Shields and Roseli Feitosa but bad news for Mary Spencer.

[mike222]

The finals are now complete with Chinese girl Li Yunfei meeting Kazakhi Yuldus Mamatkulova at heavyweight.
It just dawned on me that a top four seeding in London is crucial as these seeds will only need to win one bout to win a medal.

[emile]

It is reported that Shields has qualified, so it's safe to assume that Feitosa did as well. If the Tripartite spots are being used in the way I speculated, than perhaps Mary Spencer could get in as well, since Canada appears to have not qualified a female boxer.

Based on the revised qualification expectations (that qualification places are based on place, but we don't know the tiebreaker), then it should be:

51kg
Europe - Adams, Michalczuk, Savalyeva
Asia - Cancan Ren, Mary Kom
Americas - Esparza, Magliocco
Africa - unknown
Oceania - Fernandes

60kg
Europe - Taylor, Ochigava, Jonas
Asia - Chorieva, unknown
Americas - Araujo
Africa - Jouini
Oceania - Pritchard

75kg
Europe - Marshall, Vystropova, unknown
Asia - Li Jinzi
Americas - Feitosa, Shields
Africa - Ogoke
Oceania - Fischer-Rasmussen

[mike222]

I hope Claressa has qualified as she has already been interviewed as to her status.She should be ok.

[Mighty Atom]

I can't argue with anything gaz said. I work from the assumption that the person updating the Wiki page speaks Azeri and is getting direct transmissions, but maybe not. This qualifying method is consistent with how it was done at the continental qualifiers though, which was pretty arbitrary and matched the Wikipedia information. But it's certainly true that AIBA has not been clear at all who is qualifying in their releases.

Clearly the Tripartite invitations will not follow the 6 places rule. There are only two European countries that met the criteria in 2008, Andorra and San Marino, and I don't think we'll be seeing boxers from those places. They still could be used to encourage countries who failed to place a fighter and therefore spur the development of the sport through the publicity. When I tried to guess the Men's field, I stuck in the highest finisher at each continental qualifier from a country that did not place a men's boxer at any weight, which left me with places for Peru and Guatamala, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan, Croatia and Latvia, Sierra Leone and DR Congo. That would at least address the Tripartitie directive of increased participation, at least in a boxing-specific manner. Queen Underwood would seem to fail at all parts of the Tripartite directive and I think NBC has already paid all it's going to for the Olympics, but who knows.

In boxing news, the semis will be streamed beginning at 2am EST tonight.

Regarding the 6 places rule. "Invitation places can only be allocated to NOCs with an average of six (6) or less athletes at the last two editions of the Olympic Games.".
This means 6 boxers at the last 2 games not 6 competitors in all sports.

[emile]

Regarding the 6 places rule. "Invitation places can only be allocated to NOCs with an average of six (6) or less athletes at the last two editions of the Olympic Games.".
This means 6 boxers at the last 2 games not 6 competitors in all sports.

That's not how it reads to me, but I'll take your word for it.

Watching the finals - good stuff! I have scored along some and I find the judging to be totally reasonable (in the first fight the Chinese woman received a penalty in the 3rd and then her Filipina opponent came from behind in the 4th). I really liked Tiara Brown, tall and a sharp puncher - Kruk tried to swarm her, but Tiara was able to keep landing counter shots and keep her lead, and adjusted after getting a warning which seemed a little unfair to me. Anyway, the quality of the fights is pretty good. One more for me, Taylor vs Ochigava, before bedtime.

[mike222]

World Champions
48 Josie Gabuco PHI
52 Ren Ren Can IRE
54 Alexandra Kulesheva RUS
57 Tiara Brown USA
60 Katie Taylor IRE
64 Kyong Ok Park PRK
69 Maria Badulina UKR
75 Savannah Marshall ENG
81 Meiqing Yuan CHN
+81Li Yunfei CHN

[Mighty Atom]

Regarding the 6 places rule. "Invitation places can only be allocated to NOCs with an average of six (6) or less athletes at the last two editions of the Olympic Games.".
This means 6 boxers at the last 2 games not 6 competitors in all sports.

That's not how it reads to me, but I'll take your word for it.
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Sorry - you're right. Didn't read the doc closely enough.