Padded records

tagjohnson · Post by **tagjohnson** » 08 Sep 2005, 16:42

I'm sure this has been discussed before but I wonder which fighters have the distinction of fighting the most creampuffs along the way. Sean O'Grady comes to mind.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 08 Sep 2005, 18:09

Primo Carnera is up there

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 08 Sep 2005, 19:09

How about the great Buck Smith. Always entertaining, and also had some skills, but there are a lot of very soft opponents in his record.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 08 Sep 2005, 20:04

O'Grady got his share but I don't believe he's close to the top, not when I see the opposition that passes for a "tough test" in this day and age.

barry · Post by **barry** » 09 Sep 2005, 00:54

Hands down, no arguments necessary...Butterbean!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 09 Sep 2005, 06:49

barry wrote:Hands down, no arguments necessary...Butterbean!

Hell yeah!!

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 10 Sep 2005, 10:41

Hector "Macho" Camacho comes to mind. I really feel he was a wasted talent. Although I liked him, every time he stepped in with a top fighter, he lost - Greg Haugen, JC Chavez, Felix Trinidad, DLH.

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 10 Sep 2005, 14:53

wlvrne wrote:Hector "Macho" Camacho comes to mind. I really feel he was a wasted talent. Although I liked him, every time he stepped in with a top fighter, he lost - Greg Haugen, JC Chavez, Felix Trinidad, DLH.

He fought Trinidad and DLH at WW, past his prime and past his weight. And he defeated Ramirez and Rosario, top fighters without a doubt.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 10 Sep 2005, 15:00

Richie Aprille rules wrote:
wlvrne wrote:Hector "Macho" Camacho comes to mind. I really feel he was a wasted talent. Although I liked him, every time he stepped in with a top fighter, he lost - Greg Haugen, JC Chavez, Felix Trinidad, DLH.
He fought Trinidad and DLH at WW, past his prime and past his weight. And he defeated Ramirez and Rosario, top fighters without a doubt.

That's 2 outta how many Camacho has fought?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Sep 2005, 16:04

I'm thinkin Rob Calloway, there's a guy who's got more than padding he's got a few couches and some old mattresses in his record.

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 10 Sep 2005, 16:06

wlvrne wrote:
Richie Aprille rules wrote:
wlvrne wrote:Hector "Macho" Camacho comes to mind. I really feel he was a wasted talent. Although I liked him, every time he stepped in with a top fighter, he lost - Greg Haugen, JC Chavez, Felix Trinidad, DLH.
He fought Trinidad and DLH at WW, past his prime and past his weight. And he defeated Ramirez and Rosario, top fighters without a doubt.
That's 2 outta how many Camacho has fought?

He beat Haugen, Boza-Edwards, Howard Davis Jr, Pazienza... I don't regard his as a "brilliant" record, but I don't consider it "padded" at all. And truth is, Chavez is highly appraised by his win against Rosario in '87, and Camacho had beaten Rosario before. I'm not saying that Camacho is greater than Chavez, that would be absurd, and in fact I don't even like Camacho's style, but I don't think his is a "padded" record.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Sep 2005, 16:14

I have a hard time saying that Camachos record is overly padded but is a thin layer or two.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 10 Sep 2005, 16:42

OK, maybe not EXACTLY padded, but ya gotta admit, Camacho could have fought tougher opponents. He chose fighters he knew he could outbox....how's that?

tagjohnson · Post by **tagjohnson** » 10 Sep 2005, 19:46

Although I never would have thought about Butterbean since I always thought of him as an act more than anything. I thought of Duane Bobick perhaps. The biggest win on his 38 and 0 record going into the Norton was against Scott Ledoux! Greg Page had a streak of nine 1st round ko's in the late nineties; six of his opponents were winless and the other three had losing records, and really bad losing records including 14 and 78. Correct me if I'm wrong but the first well known American woman boxer Cathy Davis never FOUGHT anyone with a win, let alone a winning record.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Sep 2005, 20:11

Good points. However Greg was just trying to stay in the game, he wasn't padding he was just hangin in there. His time had long since come and gone.

Now Butterbean talk about padding, not to mention he fights nobodies.

Camacho may have been practicing "opponent management" like I said he probably qualifies for some padding. But I think he fought pretty routinely and ultimately mixed it up with some greats. Not always coming out on top but he got in there. His problem is that since he chose the name Macho so he's got a lot to live up to.

dws · Post by **dws** » 10 Sep 2005, 23:20

If you mean any fighters,not just champs,I recall Nino LaRocca was 59-1 when he fought Donald Curry who was at his peak,he quickly destroyed La Rocca.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Sep 2005, 00:22

heres a good one for you guys

yori boy campas- his record was so padded, and he was 56-0 when he fought tito. and yori always lost the big matches, against tito vargas and de la hoya. yoris record was really padded.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 Sep 2005, 07:46

Hey BB you may be right about Yori boy, or it may have been he was fighting a lot of locals and wanting to be active until he reached a certain threshold. I'd do some research on that one. Sometimes fighters can't get the fights they would like because no one wants to fight them. So they take what they can get. Yori being much better than average had very good luck on the way up. He also liked to keep an upcoming fight on his "to do" list.

As I recall Yori was considered a threat and not given his due but I can't recall a time where people were using the word "duck" around him. I think he also took the big fights when they were offered. Problem was they werent offered until it was figured he was ready to be sacrificed.

Some of my history on him is sketchy but I think I've got the theme about right.

When I think of the definition in this case of "padded record" I think of it willfully being done in order to make a big money fight and then running with the dough. Yori was a genuine working fighter, almost clubfighter mentality. I don't think there was much about him that was phoney. I hope I'm not making too big of a deal over symantics on this one.

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