The most undeserving "champions"

force10 · Post by **force10** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:17

Given the plethora of alphabet organisations and all the various International/Inter-Continental belts out there, who would you rate as the worst holder of a title belt, or the worst opponent ever allowed to fight for a title?

To start off...

Kreshnick Qato - managed to get his hands on the WBA International and IBC International titles ( in the case of the IBC, against an opponent who was 0-1-1)

Eric "Butterbean" Esch - Made a few defences of the IBA Super Heavyweight Title - I wonder if it was created especially for him?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 14 Sep 2005, 20:33

There have been some

Nothing beats Francesco Damiani (spelling?) who reigned as WBO Heavyweight champion during Mike Tyson's hey day. If you categorise Eubank as a world champion, then surely you must class this guy as one.

I thought Eduardo Marquez (the guy Calderon beat to win the title) was awful when Sky showed their fight. His record before and since suggests nothing otherwise.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=080730

Paul Weir fighting and winning a world title in his fourth fight was pretty poor. He wasn't a bad boxer who made one successful defence. He then went on to win a second world title, but never beat the best in Britain and later lost a commonwealth and European title bid.

As he made a few successful defences then perhaps harsh to join this list, but still shouldn't have had those shots.

When comparing the records of two of Sheffield's finest Middleweights of the 90's its hard to remember that it was Paul "Silky" Jones and not Herol Graham who can say that they won the Middleweight title. Again, I might be harsh because he beat the champion (who went on to prove himself again this decade) but still not one of our most celebrated champions.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 15 Sep 2005, 03:08

One of my favourites is Maselino Masoe, won the WBA middle title in May 2004 and hasn't defended it since.
But i see he has a defense lined up for November against Felix Strum, so may have to take him off the list

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=015483

Foggy · Post by **Foggy** » 15 Sep 2005, 04:53

Carlos Maussa surely deserves a mention, theres no way he deserved a title shot, let alone win the god damn thing

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 15 Sep 2005, 05:06

But Maussa did beat Harris fair and square. Whether Harris was a worthy champion is another matter. WBA champs, when there is a super champ should always be mentioned in threads like this. eg Masoe

EddieShredder · Post by **EddieShredder** » 15 Sep 2005, 05:15

topper123 wrote:One of my favourites is Maselino Masoe, won the WBA middle title in May 2004 and hasn't defended it since.
But i see he has a defense lined up for November against Felix Strum, so may have to take him off the list

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=015483

The best thing about that is that Masoe knocked out Evans Ashira in two rounds..... putting him down three times in the process..... and that was at middleweight.

Calzaghe hit Ashira with everything he had for at least 3rds before his hand allegedly broke.... and couldn't put a dent in him

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 15 Sep 2005, 09:36

Masoe is apparently having trouble finding an opponent, he reckons no one wants to fight him. However in such a long space of time you would expect to him have at least had a couple of keep busy fights.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 15 Sep 2005, 11:54

How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 15 Sep 2005, 12:04

Why are you being such an idiot Boxing chat.
Hatton beat Kosta Tzsyu.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 15 Sep 2005, 12:05

boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.

Sounds more like your boss.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 15 Sep 2005, 12:12

You forgot to add that his boss is slimey.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 15 Sep 2005, 12:19

boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.

BC why do you even come on here? Really Why? Even as a Witter supporter I see that coment as completely out of order to add to the list of many.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Sep 2005, 13:31

boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.

Oh so Hobson is paying him more than Frank then?

I bet you you were more of a fan of his when he was selling out the M.E.N defending his WBU carbage.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 15 Sep 2005, 13:39

Mathew Barney

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 15 Sep 2005, 13:55

stujones wrote:
boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.
Oh so Hobson is paying him more than Frank then?

I bet you you were more of a fan of his when he was selling out the M.E.N defending his WBU carbage.

Stu mate, you might've missed this thread (good choice, they've been saturating the board lately): http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 391#325391

Sky are putting up the bulk of the money, Warren is on ITV, etc.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Sep 2005, 14:20

Loftgroov wrote:Mathew Barney

I would have agreed but for him being very unlucky in losing a EBU title fight in Germany vs Ulrich. He should be EBU Light Heavyweight champion - although yes, his geniune wins at Super Middle are not against particularly good level fighters and for him to win the lonsdale belt doesn't look good at that weight.

If your talking domestic champions, then undoubtely Mike Deveney is the worst British champion I have ever seen, Jamie McKeever wasn't great either (but always exciting).

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004919

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Sep 2005, 14:26

Manos de Oro wrote:
stujones wrote:
boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.
Oh so Hobson is paying him more than Frank then?

I bet you you were more of a fan of his when he was selling out the M.E.N defending his WBU carbage.
Stu mate, you might've missed this thread (good choice, they've been saturating the board lately): http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 391#325391

Sky are putting up the bulk of the money, Warren is on ITV, etc.

I read it, and from what I have seen there is no concrete proof that Hatton is getting paid more for this fight or that it is Sky and not Hobson who is paying Hatton.

Still think that when it comes to something that a terrestial network wants, Sky's money is nothing. You don't see Sky one trying to poach Eastenders or Coronation Street. Admittedly though, like with other sporting events the terrestial giants might not be "as desperate" as Sky for the services of Hatton.

What my post in this thread though was a response for was BC's implication that Hatton is getting more money with the option he has chosen, this is in stark contrast to what FW's fighters always state - in that he is the best payer in the country.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 15 Sep 2005, 14:33

Luis Santana. Not only did he win and defend his title with DQ's (before losin in 2 rounds in the rubber match), but he earned his shot at Terry Norris by going 3-7-1 in his 11 bouts prior

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Sep 2005, 15:05

Kevo wrote:Luis Santana. Not only did he win and defend his title with DQ's (before losin in 2 rounds in the rubber match), but he earned his shot at Terry Norris by going 3-7-1 in his 11 bouts prior

Yes, excellent call.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 15 Sep 2005, 16:07

Boxing Monthly did a similar article recently with Steve Farhood choosing the fighters.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 15 Sep 2005, 16:16

Calzaghe.

Sobot
Gimenez
Reid
Thornberry
Starie
Sheika
Woodhall
Veit
McIntyre
Brewer
Jimenez
Pudwill
Mithcell
Mkrtchian
Salem
Veit
Ashira

Disgraceful.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 16 Sep 2005, 07:01

stujones wrote:
boxingchat wrote:How about Ricky Hatton - there's one disloyal money grabbing greedy little bastard.
Oh so Hobson is paying him more than Frank then?

I bet you you were more of a fan of his when he was selling out the M.E.N defending his WBU carbage.

Fan my arse, and why do I care if he sells out the MEN. I've alway's thought he was a over-rated fighter. Remember Thaxton he bled like a tampax and nearly got beat back then. Hand picked opponents all the way.
Even Zoo came for the cash why else did he come to Manchester?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 16 Sep 2005, 17:41

Junior Witter is an "underserving" perminant holder of a lonsdale belt, he hasn't made the defences.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 17 Sep 2005, 05:00

stujones wrote:Junior Witter is an "underserving" perminant holder of a lonsdale belt, he hasn't made the defences.

Good call.