KHAN - some people should be ashamed

[Rocky Balboa]

I understand the first post and the point made about people liking the fact Khan got KO'd. Maybe some of it is unwarranted, but Khan does say some foolish things at times, and people are going to pick up on such things. He's been talking about facing Mayweather for a while now, but the truth is, he's not on the same level as Floyd and he never will be.

I watched some of the build up to Khan-Garcia, and one of Khan's concerns was acquiring the suite at the top of the MGM Grand hotel. I could understand a guy like Floyd wanting that, but not Khan. He hasn't made it like Floyd has, yet he probably thinks or thought he had.

I hope there are NO excuses from Team Khan, not now or in the future, because he knew for about two months he would be facing Garcia, thus had ample time to get ready and make adjustments to tactics that had been in place to face Peterson.

I have noticed Freddy Roach's condition, (Parkinson's Syndrome) appears to be getting worse and worse quite quickly now. When he gave an interview after the fight, his whole body appeared to be shaking, couldn't keep still. Maybe he can't do as much or be involved as much in this camp and has been the case in the past because of his decline?

[safeerah]

out of interest saf, if you were involved in training Khan what specific technical aspects would you be looking to change?

He needs to learn how to fight inside and stop either holding or pushing his oponent away, he needs more lateral movement and to throw from angles, when on the ropes he needs to cross up like mayweather, antisipating the combination and blocking accordingly, instead of just putting his hands up either side of his temple and hoping for the best, he is very open to the uppercut and hooks, when he throws his hands go by his chest, look at the Ko punches he has been caught with, no doubt his speed is his best part, he needs to work in and out , side to side and throw punces in fast bursts, but not stay in range for the reply, when he is hurt he tends to go backwards on unsteady legs with weak guard, he needs to get close to his oponent with a tight cross guard and not be in haymaker range. I am sure other things can be worked on, but that is it in a nutshell.

[stevieb_8006]

It certainly does swing both ways. But one can no doubt Amir Khan has been the subject of Racism. Just look at nearly every Amir Khan Video on YouTube- you get spam after spam of racist remarks. If you haven't noticed this you are either Blind or ignorant.

Thank you ! At last someone who is not ignorant, blind, uneducated or in self denial, the worst thing about this was I broke my post down into different reasons and racism was the minority, amazing how the wrong people jump to defend themselves for their posts, I think by their actions they are telling us something, notice how they are highlighting racism, whilst the big percentage of reasons for haters are ignored, guess a case of guilty minds, sad people.

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...[/quote]

i wouldnt waste much more time on it mate, he doesnt seem to grasp it.

[exittored]

Funny thing happened I watched a British sportsman lose on Sunday morning and a large amount of Brits were happy with the result. That almost never happens.........

Now I realise that as Brits we always get behind our sportsman, lets face it no-one wanted Roger Federer to beat Andy Murray did they?? I mean we all love Andy Murray because he doesn't smile that much and made an innocent comment years ago about the England football team, personally I think that at the time as an 18 year old he should have known better...........

I mean take that horrible Amir for instance, he should have said No to that Andreas Kotelnik fight (lets face it all of us would) in favour of an 8 rounder against Sid Razak and the Dagenam and Goresbrook leisure centre, you see it would have been better for his development and lets face it a shot in the arm for the common man. How dare he win a silver medal at 17 (the cheek of it) and then decide to fight the best at his weight. Shocking behaviour.

Listen, some of the crap on here is cringeworthy, I think people need to long look at themselves if they continue to be harsh with Amir. Jealousy is a horrible trait to have, seemingly loads on here have it in droves.

What I saw was a Brit being soundly beaten and I felt sad. I suggest if you felt the opposite you should be ashamed of yourself.

Brilliant, post of the year

Amir is a true fighting man, sure he'll lose some but he'll always go out fighting and whether you love him or hate him he's the most entertaining boxer in all boxing at the moment.

[safeerah]

It certainly does swing both ways. But one can no doubt Amir Khan has been the subject of Racism. Just look at nearly every Amir Khan Video on YouTube- you get spam after spam of racist remarks. If you haven't noticed this you are either Blind or ignorant.

Thank you ! At last someone who is not ignorant, blind, uneducated or in self denial, the worst thing about this was I broke my post down into different reasons and racism was the minority, amazing how the wrong people jump to defend themselves for their posts, I think by their actions they are telling us something, notice how they are highlighting racism, whilst the big percentage of reasons for haters are ignored, guess a case of guilty minds, sad people.

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...

i wouldnt waste much more time on it mate, he doesnt seem to grasp it.[/quote]
You would not break anyones nose mate, you are nothing, everyone knows who I am, I'm not hiding behind an Alias you weasel.

[danconnollyeire]

Alias? My names Daniel Connolly my profile name is danconnollyeire you fornicating idiot what am I hiding behind exactly? I live in Walthamstow. You want any more info?

and that's a fact, I would. I'm from a working class Irish family brought up on a council estate. I've received face-to-face racism on a regular basis. People diss Tyson Fury do I go off the bandwagon calling them racist? No! Youre a prick

[safeerah]

It certainly does swing both ways. But one can no doubt Amir Khan has been the subject of Racism. Just look at nearly every Amir Khan Video on YouTube- you get spam after spam of racist remarks. If you haven't noticed this you are either Blind or ignorant.

Thank you ! At last someone who is not ignorant, blind, uneducated or in self denial, the worst thing about this was I broke my post down into different reasons and racism was the minority, amazing how the wrong people jump to defend themselves for their posts, I think by their actions they are telling us something, notice how they are highlighting racism, whilst the big percentage of reasons for haters are ignored, guess a case of guilty minds, sad people.

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...[/quote]

You would not break anyones nose you retard, internet tough guy, go and buy your lolly pop from the shop.

[stevieb_8006]

come on lads some decorum. all arguments are void if we start acting like neanderthals.

[danconnollyeire]

It certainly does swing both ways. But one can no doubt Amir Khan has been the subject of Racism. Just look at nearly every Amir Khan Video on YouTube- you get spam after spam of racist remarks. If you haven't noticed this you are either Blind or ignorant.

Thank you ! At last someone who is not ignorant, blind, uneducated or in self denial, the worst thing about this was I broke my post down into different reasons and racism was the minority, amazing how the wrong people jump to defend themselves for their posts, I think by their actions they are telling us something, notice how they are highlighting racism, whilst the big percentage of reasons for haters are ignored, guess a case of guilty minds, sad people.

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...

You would not break anyones nose you retard, internet tough guy, go and buy your lolly pop from the shop.[/quote]

Come Repton ABC tomorrow evening then... internet tough guy my arse

And go on telling people you're lifes a failure and you never get a chance cos your asain. And people don't like you cos you're asain... Right first you saying I'm hiding behind an alias proved Ive not... now Im an internet tough guy... you know where I live/train. Any more info. The only racist here is you. Putting white people down people we don't agree with you. People like you make me sick

[danconnollyeire]

come on lads some decorum. all arguments are void if we start acting like neanderthals.

Na the guys an A-Class c u next tuesday
You can start a lot of trouble for someone they don't deserve calling them racist. I've seen it happen to people. Lesson need to be learnt

[Counter-puncher]

instead of just putting his hands up either side of his temple and hoping for the best, .

what I call the 'la-la-la I can't hear you' defence

[lefty]

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...[/quote]

You would not break anyones nose you retard, internet tough guy, go and buy your lolly pop from the shop.[/quote]

Come Repton ABC tomorrow evening then... internet tough guy my arse

And go on telling people you're lifes a failure and you never get a chance cos your asain. And people don't like you cos you're asain... Right first you saying I'm hiding behind an alias proved Ive not... now Im an internet tough guy... you know where I live/train. Any more info. The only racist here is you. Putting white people down people we don't agree with you. People like you make me sick[/quote]
This you here mate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1kLzt-j7o

[safeerah]

Alias? My names Daniel Connolly my profile name is danconnollyeire you effing idiot what am I hiding behind exactly? I live in Walthamstow. You want any more info?

and that's a fact, I would. I'm from a working class Irish family brought up on a council estate. I've received face-to-face racism on a regular basis. People diss Tyson Fury do I go off the bandwagon calling them racist? No! Youre a prick

Are you for real, you the only one brought up on a council estate who is tough, don't go threatening people you don't know it is very stupid and as for the racism you have experienced, have you learned nothing ? It's people like you, who stops the the racially abused from reporting it.

[Counter-puncher]

out of interest saf, if you were involved in training Khan what specific technical aspects would you be looking to change?

He needs to learn how to fight inside and stop either holding or pushing his oponent away, he needs more lateral movement and to throw from angles, when on the ropes he needs to cross up like mayweather, antisipating the combination and blocking accordingly, instead of just putting his hands up either side of his temple and hoping for the best, he is very open to the uppercut and hooks, when he throws his hands go by his chest, look at the Ko punches he has been caught with, no doubt his speed is his best part, he needs to work in and out , side to side and throw punces in fast bursts, but not stay in range for the reply, when he is hurt he tends to go backwards on unsteady legs with weak guard, he needs to get close to his oponent with a tight cross guard and not be in haymaker range. I am sure other things can be worked on, but that is it in a nutshell.

true, but Mayweather's a shorter guy who does a lot of his defence bending very low at the waist away from punches, Khan being 2-3 inches taller and a more upright target it's maybe a bit more difficult. i mean mayweather is not only (a) better at anticipating the combinations and the direction the next punch is coming from, but (b) being closer to the ground he can lean away from the punches quicker too.

I actually think Khan's footwork needs addressing as much as anything. it can't be good for his stamina that he's bounding around the ring like an 8 year old on their birthday. just a very simple pivot and sidestep and re-set, instead of gambolling around the ring like a drunk running downhill. I'm thinking particularly of the Maidana fight but to some extent he's aways done it.

[stevieb_8006]

come on lads some decorum. all arguments are void if we start acting like neanderthals.

Na the guys an A-Class c u next tuesday
You can start a lot of trouble for someone they don't deserve calling them racist. I've seen it happen to people. Lesson need to be learnt

well he is a bit of nitwit, but dont hurt the guy too much. hes prob very young without many role models to look up to. to get violent over internet banter reduces u to his level and u r obv a bit brighter than he is. (tho if he does turn up to accept ur challenge can you film it? )

im sure he will learn 1 day. prob when amirs retired.

[safeerah]

Noone's in denial and saying it doesn't exsist. You're calling someone who clearly is not a racist a racist because he don't like Khan. If you said the stuff you're saying to me in the street, I'll break you're nose. I'm Irish, we are targeted as much as anyone, but we take it with a pinch of salt. You know how many times I've been called a freckled face Irish, Pikey, Lepracorn? But it doesn't get to me cos I'm not a pudendum. I just laugh it off...

You would not break anyones nose you retard, internet tough guy, go and buy your lolly pop from the shop.[/quote]

Come Repton ABC tomorrow evening then... internet tough guy my arse

And go on telling people you're lifes a failure and you never get a chance cos your asain. And people don't like you cos you're asain... Right first you saying I'm hiding behind an alias proved Ive not... now Im an internet tough guy... you know where I live/train. Any more info. The only racist here is you. Putting white people down people we don't agree with you. People like you make me sick[/quote]
This you here mate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1kLzt-j7o[/quote]

Ha Ha, I won't be signing you up mate, sorry Irish Dan

[safeerah]

out of interest saf, if you were involved in training Khan what specific technical aspects would you be looking to change?

He needs to learn how to fight inside and stop either holding or pushing his oponent away, he needs more lateral movement and to throw from angles, when on the ropes he needs to cross up like mayweather, antisipating the combination and blocking accordingly, instead of just putting his hands up either side of his temple and hoping for the best, he is very open to the uppercut and hooks, when he throws his hands go by his chest, look at the Ko punches he has been caught with, no doubt his speed is his best part, he needs to work in and out , side to side and throw punces in fast bursts, but not stay in range for the reply, when he is hurt he tends to go backwards on unsteady legs with weak guard, he needs to get close to his oponent with a tight cross guard and not be in haymaker range. I am sure other things can be worked on, but that is it in a nutshell.

true, but Mayweather's a shorter guy who does a lot of his defence bending very low at the waist away from punches, Khan being 2-3 inches taller and a more upright target it's maybe a bit more difficult. i mean mayweather is not only (a) better at anticipating the combinations and the direction the next punch is coming from, but (b) being closer to the ground he can lean away from the punches quicker too.

I actually think Khan's footwork needs addressing as much as anything. it can't be good for his stamina that he's bounding around the ring like an 8 year old on their birthday. just a very simple pivot and sidestep and re-set, instead of gambolling around the ring like a drunk running downhill. I'm thinking particularly of the Maidana fight but to some extent he's aways done it.

With the cross stance it don't matter about height, my lad Nass uses it to great effect and he is 5ft 11 inches, you can teach anyone to read the combinations never mind a former world champion, most combinations start and finish on certain punches, I agree with with you on the feet, that's why I sugested Mcgirt and Whitticker as trainers, they would slow him down and teach him to fight in the pocket more and conserve energy, Yes I teach my boxers to keep the centre by sidestepping and re-setting , instead of going backwards and ending on the ropes, with Khan he fights very long, so it limits what he can do, he does not seem to be able to shorten enough in hiis movements, good points though, all the above would help him, with Khan I have also noticed he is not very fluent with his movements as well, at times can be clumsy, he feels more at home with his Am style.

[Counter-puncher]

yes, he needs to shorten up his movements all-round, wastes less energy and means he's more often in position to counter and he's offbalance less often

i think i know what you mean about height not being a factor, it's just that almost all of the boxers i can think of who use that kind of rolling style effectively- Toney, Mayweather, our own Ian Napa- tend to be shorter. not sure i can recall a distinctly taller fighter doing it consistently at the top level.

[safeerah]

come on lads some decorum. all arguments are void if we start acting like neanderthals.

Na the guys an A-Class c u next tuesday
You can start a lot of trouble for someone they don't deserve calling them racist. I've seen it happen to people. Lesson need to be learnt

well he is a bit of nitwit, but dont hurt the guy too much. hes prob very young without many role models to look up to. to get violent over internet banter reduces u to his level and u r obv a bit brighter than he is. (tho if he does turn up to accept ur challenge can you film it? )

im sure he will learn 1 day. prob when amirs retired.

You two guys are pussys, straight up.

[safeerah]

come on lads some decorum. all arguments are void if we start acting like neanderthals.

Na the guys an A-Class c u next tuesday
You can start a lot of trouble for someone they don't deserve calling them racist. I've seen it happen to people. Lesson need to be learnt

Dan your not the man, judging by the video you need my help, amazing how you can't fight to save your life, then you blaze Khan and make threats of breaking peoples noses, bless him lol.

[safeerah]

yes, he needs to shorten up his movements all-round, wastes less energy and means he's more often in position to counter and he's offbalance less often

i think i know what you mean about height not being a factor, it's just that almost all of the boxers i can think of who use that kind of rolling style effectively- Toney, Mayweather, our own Ian Napa- tend to be shorter. not sure i can recall a distinctly taller fighter doing it consistently at the top level.

If you google my lad and fighter Nasser Al Harbi and watch his fight with the no7 in the world Emanuele Della Rosa, on google in Italy , it's not on you tube, you will see him use it, at times, but in a higher posture then Mayweather, when you are tall and you lift your leading shoulder up, whilst tucking your chin in, you can arch back from punches, making it more difficult to reach you because of the hieght.

[Counter-puncher]

i did say 'at the top level' though, saf. {joke}

thinking about it McCallum did okay with that sort of style for a taller fighter.

[spudder56]

yes, he needs to shorten up his movements all-round, wastes less energy and means he's more often in position to counter and he's offbalance less often

i think i know what you mean about height not being a factor, it's just that almost all of the boxers i can think of who use that kind of rolling style effectively- Toney, Mayweather, our own Ian Napa- tend to be shorter. not sure i can recall a distinctly taller fighter doing it consistently at the top level.

If you google my lad and fighter Nasser Al Harbi and watch his fight with the no7 in the world Emanuele Della Rosa, on google in Italy , it's not on you tube, you will see him use it, at times, but in a higher posture then Mayweather, when you are tall and you lift your leading shoulder up, whilst tucking your chin in, you can arch back from punches, making it more difficult to reach you because of the hieght.

Nasser is a very good fighter but to really move on he needs to sell tickets as in this game ability alone doesnt guarantee success you have to sell tickets or else its not going to happen for him which is a real shame for such a quality fighter/Prospect

[safeerah]

i did say 'at the top level' though, saf. {joke}

thinking about it McCallum did okay with that sort of style for a taller fighter.

Ha Ha. one day, one day, he is getting there though, 2 more years. You forgot about Bronen, he is tall for the weight and big.

[lefty]

i did say 'at the top level' though, saf. {joke}

thinking about it McCallum did okay with that sort of style for a taller fighter.

Ha Ha. one day, one day, he is getting there though, 2 more years. You forgot about Bronen, he is tall for the weight and big.

Anywhere i can see a fight of his online mate? Never actually seem him fight as of yet!