Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

Post by Lenny »

Wales wrote:...Yep saw that, and as i mentioned in my post beating marquez is all down to hunter changing Khans style form bounce in bounce out to fighting on the backfoot...
Ah, I see. Your prediction is based upon Khan coming back with a different style, more ring generalship and some extra stamina. How about we give him loads more power as well and turn him into Tommy Hearns? Then yes I would back him to beat JMM

I jest of course, but no seriously
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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Lenny wrote:
Wales wrote:...Yep saw that, and as i mentioned in my post beating marquez is all down to hunter changing Khans style form bounce in bounce out to fighting on the backfoot...
Ah, I see. Your prediction is based upon Khan coming back with a different style, more ring generalship and some extra stamina. How about we give him loads more power as well and turn him into Tommy Hearns? Then yes I would back him to beat JMM

I jest of course, but no seriously
Hunters job is hardly like changing Hatton to Pernell Whittaker though. Khan isnt as bad a fighter as many make out. He has flaws in fighting the way he was trying to fight, namely his defence and chin. He shouldve knocked that macho crap on the head after Maidana, Garcia didnt tell us anything people on this board didnt already know. What hunter can do is change Khans mentality from a gun-ho knockout artist without devastating power, to a fighter who accepts the best chance he has of winning is to, first and foremost, not get hit. Time will tell if Hunter can make the tweeks and get Khan boxing off back foot. I dont think Saturday will tell us too much if im honest. Id argue khan has stamina issues...

As for JMM. Look marquez beat Pacquiao granted, and I was supporting JMM on the night furthermore I dont particularly like Khan (most who have been on here since Harrison days will know this). But Marquez didnt perfom anywhere near aswel as he has in the past, he was being beaten, but timed a past-peak pacquiao perfectly. If Khan can move well, box on the back foot and be elusive as appose to jumping in and out like he did against Garcia, then he has a shot.

Just my opinion.
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Wales wrote:What hunter can do is change Khans mentality from a gun-ho knockout artist without devastating power
must have missed it when Khan was a knockout artist with devastating power.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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What you missed was that the word used in that post is actually "without".
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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Wales wrote:
Lenny wrote:
Wales wrote:...Yep saw that, and as i mentioned in my post beating marquez is all down to hunter changing Khans style form bounce in bounce out to fighting on the backfoot...
Ah, I see. Your prediction is based upon Khan coming back with a different style, more ring generalship and some extra stamina. How about we give him loads more power as well and turn him into Tommy Hearns? Then yes I would back him to beat JMM

I jest of course, but no seriously
Hunters job is hardly like changing Hatton to Pernell Whittaker though. Khan isnt as bad a fighter as many make out. He has flaws in fighting the way he was trying to fight, namely his defence and chin. He shouldve knocked that macho crap on the head after Maidana, Garcia didnt tell us anything people on this board didnt already know. What hunter can do is change Khans mentality from a gun-ho knockout artist without devastating power, to a fighter who accepts the best chance he has of winning is to, first and foremost, not get hit. Time will tell if Hunter can make the tweeks and get Khan boxing off back foot. I dont think Saturday will tell us too much if im honest. Id argue khan has stamina issues...

As for JMM. Look marquez beat Pacquiao granted, and I was supporting JMM on the night furthermore I dont particularly like Khan (most who have been on here since Harrison days will know this). But Marquez didnt perfom anywhere near aswel as he has in the past, he was being beaten, but timed a past-peak pacquiao perfectly. If Khan can move well, box on the back foot and be elusive as appose to jumping in and out like he did against Garcia, then he has a shot.

Just my opinion.
Khan boxed excellently on the back foot against Kotelnik and before that against St Clair but these fights were a long time ago. Peterson started having all sorts of success once Khan slowed. The way Khan moves around the ring expends a lot of energy let alone his flurries. He often gets drawn into tear ups because he has no option, not just because he has massive balls.

Hunter can improve Khan and for sure he can win a title again, but he'll always be short of the elite
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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khan has more potential than most boxers

if he sorted himself out he has the spead to beat anybody

has a big following as well and after his defeats he still is a big name in boxing
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

Post by Final round »

Terrible fight for Khan at any stage of his career so far but coming back from being banjoed by Danny Garcia and outboxed by Peterson it seems an outlandish match up.
The PAC from last week would have brutalised him in 3. Even after been flattened PAC knows what Khan has in his locker , speed and movement but he's no spiteful counter puncher.
Even after been flattened Manny doesn't seem from the quotes, interviews etc to have mentally crumbled .Whether his chin has been cracked for good we don't know.
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Pacquiao knocked Hatton dead, he shattered Margarito's eye socket and left him looking like Columbo.

It would be carnage and barely last a round.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

Post by dberry »

Exactly, GOmez, he was boxing better than he had for a few fights on the weekend, had a momentary laps and got cought by a brilliant boxer, such is life, a bad day at the office, unless Khan fights very defensively, Pacquiao will bust him up badly, I doubt khan could win even if it goes the distance, although if it did it would be an interesting fight.
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Post by Quixall »

I watched the highlights of the fight and it seemed to me that Pacquaio was starting to dominate the fight. In the fifth round he cut Marquez and broke his nose and was coming on strong. Essentially, Pacquaio walked onto a short but powerful counter punch and that was it. Yes, he had been put down in the second round, but that knock down was no indication of what would come later. Pacquaio may have slowed a bit, his reflexes not quite as sharp, but for me, he was controlling the fight and then started to dominate untill he was stopped. I think it would have been a matter of time before Marquez would have been stopped, maybe two or three rounds. Pacquaio still looks like a p4p fighter to me and Khan would get destroyed.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

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pacman all night but stu will be proved right - he wont be the same. from now on manny will be gunshy and the decline all too obvious.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

Post by loaded_gloves »

Marquez had to endure some crunching hits last weekend, and stay cool in the face of a pair of bazookas rattling off warheads in his direction.

The idea that Khan could cope in this scenario and be competitive in any way with Pacman is a demented one. Maybe he could do if he looked like and was named Amir Khan but otherwise had entirely different attributes, but the Amir Khan we've actually seen for seven years and 25 fights does not have Marquez's brains, skills or power.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Amir Khan

Post by misterpunch »

why oh why didnt khan mould himself from day one into a back foot guy throwing stinging counters? i think he could have been very successful with that. we saw how he could do that on a few occasions. but then again he got a world title coming forward so in a way i cant argue.
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