Best Amateur record you've seen? EVER............

[duck]

best amateur record is dick mc taggart scotland 650 bouts won 628 i think only one boxer has a better record lazlo papp hungary but i dont know what it is

[duck]

dick mctaggart of scotland is way out on his own ,nobody in the world comes remotely close, or ever will ,he only lost 22 bouts out of 650,which he describes as 22 bad decisions,when he fought he often fought mon,tue,wed,thu,fri, the weigh in was on monday and that done for the full week,olympic gold medal,val barker trophy,european champion etc holds more titles and trophys than any other boxer,his record will stand for all time as no boxer would ever be able to have that number of bouts in this day and age

[Nile4000]

mark breland 110-1
ray leonard 145-5

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Laszlo Papps record------------




posted in a condensed version below

[ShoeShine]

Cassamayor had 350 wins as a amatuer

[duck]

dick mctaggart 634 fights 610 defeats 24 bad decisions,olympic gold,val barker trophy ,olympic bronze,european champion,commonwealth champion ,british champion,aba,champion,forces champion etc, loads of his bouts are on bbc television,but they never show them ,are there no film makers who could obtain this footage ,and make a film of his life there is tremendous interest in this subject and we are sitting with the star prize alive and well living in scotland today,many will remember southpaw mctaggart with the white boots which were unusual at the time,

[duck]

pietrzyrowski who he knocked out ,wasnt that the guy cassius clay beat when he won the gold medal

[Axe]

Breland takes the cake at 110-1-0, and avenged the only loss early on in his pro career.

[Nile4000]

Clint Jackson, the captain of the famous 1976 Olympic Boxing Team, used to be refered to as the "most decorated" amatuer boxer in US history. I know he had an outstanding record but I don't know the particulars. He didn't win the Gold at Montreal, and his pro career had some exciting moments but ultimately fizzled, which is probably why he hasn't been remembered in this forum. Even at the end of his career boxing scribes would mention his stellar amateur record and the general belief was that he over extended his amateur experience and consequently burned-out before turning pro. But I'm sure some folks still remember Clint, especially anyone who fought him in his heyday.

What I do remember about Clint is that he won the National Golden Gloves and National AAU titles at Welterweight three straight years, highly impressive, and kayoed Mike McCallum.

[Rory McCloskey]

does that french guy tha almost fought ali... last name stevenson count... his record wqas 302-22.

[hawaiianpunch]

I agree with Breland's being among the best at 110-1 because that record is probably accurate and ended with a gold medal. I remember Larry Merchant on HBO saying Courage Tshabalala was 83-1 and an amatuer with 82 KO's. If anyone has seen him fight as a pro, I doubt this could be possible.

[boxinghead]

It's easy to look at an amateur record and think it is great, but do you judge an amateur boxing career by the number of wins to losses, or the number of National titles and accomplishments. Any amateur can box among his local neighborhood and build up wins. Majority of amateur bouts are handpicked, but National titles are not. So if a boxer is 100-49, but has seven National titles, where does he rank?

[Yaras72]

100-0 Kid Chocolate (CUBA)
85-0 "Sugar" Ray Robinson (USA)
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119-1 Nino Benvenuti (ITA)
113-1 Jose Napoles (CUBA)
110-1 Mark Breland (USA)
83-1 Courage Tshabalala (SAF)
55-1 Marvin Hagler (USA)
273-2 Harry Simon (NAM)
158-2 Juan Carlos Gomez (CUBA)
74-2 Acelino Freitas (BRA)
291-4 Terry Norris (USA)
168-4 Jeremy Williams (USA)
99-4 Meldrick Taylor (USA)
95-4 Bernard Hopkins (USA)
223-5 Oscar De La Hoya (USA)
195-5 John Mugabi (UGA)
165-5 "Sugar" Ray Leonard (USA)
146-5 Bebis Mendoza (COL)
110-5 Zab Judah (USA)
100-5 Fernando Vargas (USA)
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400-6 Don Curry (USA)
187-6 (170 KO) Gerrie Coetzee (SAF)
164-6 Leo Randolph (USA)
134-6 Vladimir Klitschko (UKR)
123-6 Wilfredo Benitez (PUE)
115-6 Tony Tucker (USA)
170-7 Carl Daniels (USA)
481-8 Bernard Taylor (USA)
312-8 Al Minter (USA)
210-8 Rocky Lockridge (USA)
155-8 Thomas Hearns (USA)
241-9 Slobodan Kacar (YUG)
206-9 John David Jackson (USA)
181-9 Leon Spinks (USA)
341-10 Orlin Norris (USA)
327-10 Paul Vaden (USA)
240-10 Mike McCallum (USA)
207-10 Vasili Jirov (KAZ)
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259-11 Kostia Tszyu (ZSRR/AUS)
250-11 Virgil Hill (USA)
301-12-6 Laszlo Papp (HUN)
255-12 Angel Herrera (CUBA)
209-12 Jeff Lacy (USA)
260-13 Stevie Johnston (USA)
240-13 Tony Tubbs (USA)
214-13 Kennedy McKinney (USA)
282-14-1 Istvan Kovacs (HUN)
227-14 Odlanier Solis (CUBA-active!)
201-14 Pernell Whitaker (USA)
365-15 Julio Cesar Green (DOM)
225-15 Vernon Forrest (USA)
195-15 Vitali Klitschko (UKR)
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341-16 Johnny Bumphus (USA)
250-16 Shane Mosley (USA)
257-19 Mate Parlov (YUG)
320-20 Jesse Benavides (USA)
387-21 Felix Savon (CUBA)
358-22 Mario Kindelan (CUBA)
302-22 Teofilo Stevenson (CUBA)
319-27 Adolfo Horta (CUBA)
330-30 Joel Casamayor (CUBA)
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31-0-1 Oliver McCall (USA)

[pundit]

Where can one find amateur records?

[locoxelbox]

I'm sure at least 90% of the records you mentioned aren't accurate. I know for sure the following records aren´t:

158-2 Juan Carlos Gomez (CUBA)
168-4 Jeremy Williams (USA)
100-5 Fernando Vargas (USA)
209-12 Jeff Lacy (USA)
255-12 Angel Herrera (CUBA)

I have seen many of these fighters as amateurs losing over and over again. I know Juan Carlos Gomez personally and know he fought a lot of times, winning and losing against Dihosvany Vega, Ramon Garbey and Angel Espinosa. I'm sure he has near 20 defeats. Nine of them appear in this partly record of his: http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/gomez.html

Jeremy Williams I've seen being KO'ed against russian Andrei Kurniavka and losing twice to Montell Griffin. He was also KO'ed by russian Sergey Klokov. That's four right there. I'm sure he has quite a few losses more.

Fernando Vargas only five losses? Here you have seven.
Mike Bojorquez (1992)
Talget Kalimor, KAZ (1994)
Luis Perez Deyne, PUR (1995)
Jose Luis Cruz Felix, MEX (1995)
Hector Vinent, CUB (1995)
David Palac (1996)
Marian Simion, ROM (1996)

Angel Herrera only 12 losses in his long career? Here's 17 and I'm sure there are some more http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/herrera.html

Asking a boxer about his amateur record is like asking a 18-year old boy how many girls he slept with. Both probably will add a few victims

[Yaras72]

Best ever amateur records of Polish boxers:

351-14-2 Zbigniew Pietrzykowski
340-14 Leszek Drogosz
237-15-12 Zygmunt Chychla
232-15-3 Zenon Stefaniuk
248-16-4 Wieslaw Rudkowski
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237-21-7 Jozef Kruza
234-21-1 Henryk Kukier
353-22-11 Leszek Leiss
237-23-10 Jerzy Adamski
251-24-15 Jan Szczepanski
317-25-6 Jerzy Kulej
317-25-8 Dariusz Czernij
269-25-2 Jerzy Rybicki
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216-27-10 Jozef Grudzien
275-28-6 Kazimierz Adach
256-28-3 Krzysztof Kosedowski
232-28-10 Marian Kasprzyk
372-29-11 Teofil Kowalski
281-30-4 Artur Olech
271-30-10 Henryk Petrich
282-31-4 Leszek Błazynski
324-32-10 Henryk Srednicki
378-34-9 Tadeusz Walasek
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99(50KO)-13-2 Andrzej (Andrew) Golota

[hawaiianpunch]

[quote

Asking a boxer about his amateur record is like asking a 18-year old boy how many girls he slept with. Both probably will add a few victims [/quote]
Now that is funny and true at the same time!

[Axe]

pietrzyrowski who he knocked out ,wasnt that the guy cassius clay beat when he won the gold medal

Yes, thats the one, Zbig was at least 2 weight classes out of his natural weight, and still won silver and gave Ali hell!

[locoxelbox]

Why did he fight in a weightclass (or two) above his own?

[Yaras72]

Below his natural weight class, not above it. For obvious reasons

[locoxelbox]

OK. I see.

[boxnth]

travis hartman 156-13, three national titles, i found some stuff onhim after i seen this article posted on the other forum where he got screwed in a pro bout, but anyways just thought i would post this here... it also says where he is from a small town in missouri called osborn... cant find it on a map anywhere haha

[hhascup]

Vince Shomo had an Amateur Boxing Record of something like 651-4 with most of his wins coming by stoppage. He use to box every week and sometimes 2 or 3 times a week.

[Dennis]

Amateur records are highly suspect. Heck, even pro records can be.

What about current U.S. amateurs? I know some guys that are doing very well only have 20-50 bouts, while other guys have 200+ bouts.

I know some boxers have been boxing for over a decade and in some cases for about 15 years. If a boxer boxes 10 times a year, you can see that they can easily get over 100 bouts.

Some boxers travel frequently and get 25 or more bouts in a year. That is how they can have a record with over 200 bouts.

[Tkokidround1]

can sum1 giv me a link to see all amature records plz