Torlin: New Fidel LaBarba Bouts

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 27 Jan 2003, 12:02

What's your source for those news LaBarba bouts you entered. I've done an exhaustive search of many Pacific Northwest papers hunting for Leslie (Wildcat) Carter bouts, and all seem to agree that he had only two bouts with LaBarba, not three. (Most, if not all, record books have their S.F./Oakland bout off by a day. I have a copy of the original article.)

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 27 Jan 2003, 13:46

This record was locked. Can we get the bout entry screen to show locked records again?

torlin · Post by **torlin** » 28 Jan 2003, 02:53

Hi!
The source for LaBarba is the RRB 69 edition.

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 28 Jan 2003, 02:57

Interesting. When I'm next at the University library, I'm gonna have to look for those three. Thanks.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 28 Jan 2003, 03:20

Torlin,

Regarding Joe Benjamin. Please don't enter any West Coast stuff from roughly 1918-1927, without using a newspaper. Those will be entered properly in due time, when confirmed. This is a project of mine as well as Ric's. I'm going to delete them for now.

wsbuf · Post by **wsbuf** » 28 Jan 2003, 09:45

Tegenm, Ric, I have some records for Johnny Sacco I wanted to add when he fought in California. 1925 he fought in Oakland, San Jose, Hollywood, S.F. and San Diego. Eight bouts in all. I have who he fought, result, city and year (no dates). Should I add or wait?
Bob

torlin · Post by **torlin** » 28 Jan 2003, 10:48

OK, I´ll wait for your project!

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 28 Jan 2003, 11:06

Bob,

Here's what I have for Sacco:
1925
Jan 17 Jimmy Hutchinson Vernon, CA L 4
Feb 24 Johnny Lamar Vernon, CA L ?
May 12 Teddy Seidman San Francisco L ?
May 13 Ad Cadena Oakland L 4
May 22 Charley Feraci San Diego L 6
May 27 Harry Scott Oakland W 4
Jun 2 Cap Nelson San Jose W ?
Jun 12 Kid Cariacco Hollywood W 4

If you have round lengths from your source please go ahead and use them.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 28 Jan 2003, 12:40

Torlin,

Also on Tony Galento 1969 RRB, those bouts were later super-seceded by a record that appeared in the 86-87 edition. Those bouts that were entered were either wrestling matches, exhibitions, or phantom bouts. Don't feel bad, your like the third or fourth person who has done this. Maybe Galento's record needs to be password protected. 8)

wsbuf · Post by **wsbuf** » 28 Jan 2003, 13:14

Tegenm,
I have:

Teddy Seidman W6 S.F.
Harry Scott W6 Oakland
Cap Nelson W6 San Jose
Mex'n Joe Algier KO5 San Diego
Babe Picato W6 Hollywood
Al Cadin W6 Oakland
Mike Farrell W6 San Diego
Babe Picado L6 Hollywood

I will add these plus yours that i don't have.
Do you think Ad Cadena is the same as my Al Cadin?

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 28 Jan 2003, 15:54

Ad is another name for Al that was common in the 20's. I'll look later tonight when I get home and see if I can find anything else under either name.

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 29 Jan 2003, 21:39

Per the LOS ANGELES TIMES, none of those three bouts exist.
Feb. 3, 1927 @ Hollywood. Nothing mentioned in the Times. Rather, the Hollywood Legion Stadium had a card the next night, with Doc Snell vs. King Tut, among others.

Jan. 24, 1932 = Sunday. Hollywood didn't have boxing on Sundays.

Feb. 11, 1932 = nothing mentioned in the paper. LaBarba was a huge name in California and worldwide that any bout with him would have made headlines in the sports pages of L.A. In fact, the Feb. 12 edition mentions his upcoming bout with Varias Milling; that's it. Finally, Hollywood had its card the following night, on the 12th, with Midget Wolgast & others.

Another example of the RRB being incorrect sometimes.