bring back same day weigh-ins

[curtis wood]

by putting a cap on what you can weigh the night of the fight is counter productive, some fighters if only allowed to put on so much will still be dehydrated so whats the point? I think the way its done now is the safest all round, its not muscle mass your putting on its simply water

[TJ77]

Why not have the weigh in and then set a limit on weight entering the ring.
Surely with modern sport science they could set parameters of weight based on rehydration.
But cap it so the weight gained is only from liquid and food so fighters are safely hydrated and energised but not at an advantage over an opponent.
This would likely reduce dangerous cutting as the fighter cannot load up after.
Its a really interesting topic with a dark underbelly due to the dangers.
We need to change and enforce something ,its always been there and is acceptable even after all the tragedies.Its like smoking in pubs was the norm and people screamed blue murder when they banned it but it needed doing.

I think the present regulations are good enough and I would add that if a boxer has to seriously dehydrate themselves to make weight he is obviously in the wrong weight division and the manager and trainer should move him up a weight if they are doing their job properly and are concerned for the Boxers safety (which is their job)

Fair point how about random weight checks like in drug testing or a tighter monitoring schedule in the run up to the fight just making it a bit more difficult to drain and load up would put some off.
How many times has a bad performance already been put down to excess rapid weight loss we are already getting bad performances due to it.

TJ77, setting a limit on weight gain , or maximum percentage swing call it what you will, between weigh-in and fight is not a good idea at all. It would encourage a lot of fighters to not consume enough calories and water in the run up to the fight. Putting their health at risk and producing underpowered performances, neither of which are good for the fighters or spectators.

spudder56, I agree that the present regulations are good enough but I think they could be significantly improved. I also agree that in an ideal world boxers would not carb deplete and dehydrate but it's not an ideal world and they do. Accepting this is the case, always has been the case, and always will be the case, and giving fighters ample time to refuel and rehydrate is the most sensible approach.

[TJ77]

by putting a cap on what you can weigh the night of the fight is counter productive, some fighters if only allowed to put on so much will still be dehydrated so whats the point? I think the way its done now is the safest all round, its not muscle mass your putting on its simply water

I don't have the answer Curtis and your in a much better position to comment.
Im just entering the debate with suggestions due to Keiron Fallons admissions and recent after dinner speaker ex fighters ive listened to
some high profile who believe things are still not good enough and attitudes should change.

[TJ77]

if same day weigh ins are brought back in most fighters would have to move up 1 or even 2 divisions, cutting fluid is not a problem if done correctly with day before weigh ins, you have 36 hours to rehydrate yourself which is enough time to get your levels back up to normal, the problem is then you will have one fighter weighing a lot more than the other on the day of the fight, but this is less dangerous than being dehydrated, its a lesser of 2 evils imo, if im getting hit by somebody that's 10lbs heavier than me but im fully fit and strong at the weight id have zero problems with that, but when you are dehydrated and weight drained a school kid can hurt you with punches because you just have nothing at all in you, like I said its the lesser of 2 evils

by putting a cap on what you can weigh the night of the fight is counter productive, some fighters if only allowed to put on so much will still be dehydrated so whats the point? I think the way its done now is the safest all round, its not muscle mass your putting on its simply water

Good posts. I 100% agree that 36 hours is enough to get carbed back up and rehydrated. The only reason I'm suggesting 48 hours is to help make sure that those who don't do it right now have a bigger safety net.

Wouldn't that just make them cut even more?

[frankgreaves]

I really do believe that the current system is better than the old same day weigh-in, not perfect, but better. There are flaws with it tho, my major problem is the weight differences on the night, giving away 6-8 pounds or more is a big deal & should not be swept under the carpet. Some fighters do not have access to top class information on the subject, they cannot afford nutritionists or specialists in the weight draining field. Some of the things fighters do to make weight are absolutely scandalous, because they do not know any better this needs to be addressed imo.

In theory I like the idea of limits on how much you can put on after a weigh in, but do understand why there aren't. The trouble with the current system coupled with upto date weight draining allows to much of a difference come fight night, some fighters are gifted weight drainers (hatton @ 140lbs) & they are beating better fighters on the night because of their physical advantages & not their superior skill / boxing, this cannot be right.

Maybe set divisional limits? Say after the 24/36 hour weigh in you cannot come in over 2 divisions higher, eg feathers can't come in higher than lightweight 9st 9lbs that way you safely cover most fighters who will put on say 5,6,7 lbs & force the super drainers into the next weight division?? Personal responsibility has to come into consideration, the current system is basically saying "we know you are going to be stupid so here is the time to allow you to recover"

[expe]

I really do believe that the current system is better than the old same day weigh-in, not perfect, but better. There are flaws with it tho, my major problem is the weight differences on the night, giving away 6-8 pounds or more is a big deal & should not be swept under the carpet. Some fighters do not have access to top class information on the subject, they cannot afford nutritionists or specialists in the weight draining field. Some of the things fighters do to make weight are absolutely scandalous, because they do not know any better this needs to be addressed imo.

In theory I like the idea of limits on how much you can put on after a weigh in, but do understand why there aren't. The trouble with the current system coupled with upto date weight draining allows to much of a difference come fight night, some fighters are gifted weight drainers (hatton @ 140lbs) & they are beating better fighters on the night because of their physical advantages & not their superior skill / boxing, this cannot be right.

Maybe set divisional limits? Say after the 24/36 hour weigh in you cannot come in over 2 divisions higher, eg feathers can't come in higher than lightweight 9st 9lbs that way you safely cover most fighters who will put on say 5,6,7 lbs & force the super drainers into the next weight division?? Personal responsibility has to come into consideration, the current system is basically saying "we know you are going to be stupid so here is the time to allow you to recover"

Agree with most of that, but Hatton wasn't a gifted weight drainer, 10st was a natural weight for him, his issues with weight came because of the way he'd blow up between fights, if he'd stayed in shape he would have done the weight easily.

[dalcumly]

All the talk of dehydration and rehydration and the early time of weigh ins is surely designed to allow boxers to fight at a weight they shouldn't be fighting at and to gain an advantage over their opponent? Why should this be allowed?
How do you stop someone like Nathan Cleverley weighing around 14sts while defending his light heavy title or Scot Harrison weighing around 11sts when defending his featherweight title?
The ONLY way to enter the ring in peak physical condition is by training properly and eating and drinking the right things throughout the training camp , not by 'drying' out for a few days to meet a false weight,and then packing in drink and nutrients to try to get back up to a natural weight.But this has been allowed to become the norm.
It's false.

[TJ77]

All the talk of dehydration and rehydration and the early time of weigh ins is surely designed to allow boxers to fight at a weight they shouldn't be fighting at and to gain an advantage over their opponent? Why should this be allowed?
How do you stop someone like Nathan Cleverley weighing around 14sts while defending his light heavy title or Scot Harrison weighing around 11sts when defending his featherweight title?
The ONLY way to enter the ring in peak physical condition is by training properly and eating and drinking the right things throughout the training camp , not by 'drying' out for a few days to meet a false weight,and then packing in drink and nutrients to try to get back up to a natural weight.But this has been allowed to become the norm.
It's false.

This

[allan w oldham]

the reason the weigh ins went from same day to day before the fight was that the boxers were still weak,and through not drinking and eating properly and losing to much weight the boxers were losing fluid from around the brain,causing more damage, so the day before weigh ins are a lot safer for the boxers, sadly brain injury's still happen, but not as many, we know the risks and do it because we love to box. yes some fighters put to much weight back on, for fight night but this can also be a disadvantage because the boxer becomes slow and sluggish, chavez vs martinez comes to mind. i used to walk around at 10,2 and get down to 9.3 easy, 8,10 would do my feckin head in,as i love my food,but for a title fight you would do it, knowing you would be healthy for fight night

[Final round]

Why not have the weigh in and then set a limit on weight entering the ring.
Surely with modern sport science they could set parameters of weight based on rehydration.
But cap it so the weight gained is only from liquid and food so fighters are safely hydrated and energised but not at an advantage over an opponent.
This would likely reduce dangerous cutting as the fighter cannot load up after.
Its a really interesting topic with a dark underbelly due to the dangers.
We need to change and enforce something ,its always been there and is acceptable even after all the tragedies.Its like smoking in pubs was the norm and people screamed blue murder when they banned it but it needed doing.

banning smoking in pubs was one of the dumbest things ever done.

Why, I think it's far better.? soon they will ban smoking in pub gardens. I agree going back to the same day weigh in is crazy. They should agree on a pre- fight limit and fine accordingly. hit them in the pocket.

[jimcook]

Why not have the weigh in and then set a limit on weight entering the ring.
Surely with modern sport science they could set parameters of weight based on rehydration.
But cap it so the weight gained is only from liquid and food so fighters are safely hydrated and energised but not at an advantage over an opponent.
This would likely reduce dangerous cutting as the fighter cannot load up after.
Its a really interesting topic with a dark underbelly due to the dangers.
We need to change and enforce something ,its always been there and is acceptable even after all the tragedies.Its like smoking in pubs was the norm and people screamed blue murder when they banned it but it needed doing.

banning smoking in pubs was one of the dumbest things ever done.

Why, I think it's far better.? soon they will ban smoking in pub gardens. I agree going back to the same day weigh in is crazy. They should agree on a pre- fight limit and fine accordingly. hit them in the pocket.

the reason its dumb is because they are saying...smoking causes health problems so you cant do it, but its ok to fill your body to its limit with another poison which not only causes health problems but has far reaching negative effects in both the individuals behaviour and those who come into contact with them, be it family and friends , work collegues or even strangers.
whats worse is the fact that youve all these sanctimonious kunts complaining about second hand smoke, yet think nothing of the fact that they drive massive cars which fill the air with far more dangerous petro chemicals .

[Final round]

the reason its dumb is because they are saying...smoking causes health problems so you cant do it, but its ok to fill your body to its limit with another poison which not only causes health problems but has far reaching negative effects in both the individuals behaviour and those who come into contact with them, be it family and friends , work collegues or even strangers.
whats worse is the fact that youve all these sanctimonious kunts complaining about second hand smoke, yet think nothing of the fact that they drive massive cars which fill the air with far more dangerous petro chemicals .

Well smoking a few fags in a room is affecting everyone in it, having a pint of a lager isn't, not everyone gets leathered to the point of anti-social behaviour although admittedly plenty do. Not everyone is drinking alcohol either. True about vehicle pollution. aircraft pollutants sound the worst.

[Scrap]

Its interesting, whats been said. I remember those Fighters who got injured in Fights, too a man all Trained in Plastics, and were seriously Dehydrated before the Fight. Problem Stress= Cortisol,long term not a good idea. Plus anyone with serious Dehydration, will take them 4 days to properly re Hydrate.

[spudder56]

Its interesting, whats been said. I remember those Fighters who got injured in Fights, too a man all Trained in Plastics, and were seriously Dehydrated before the Fight. Problem Stress= Cortisol,long term not a good idea. Plus anyone with serious Dehydration, will take them 4 days to properly re Hydrate.

Spot on dehydration is madness

[Scrap]

Its interesting, whats been said. I remember those Fighters who got injured in Fights, too a man all Trained in Plastics, and were seriously Dehydrated before the Fight. Problem Stress= Cortisol,long term not a good idea. Plus anyone with serious Dehydration, will take them 4 days to properly re Hydrate.

Spot on dehydration is madness

We are 65% water, I wonder Why.

[spudder56]

Its interesting, whats been said. I remember those Fighters who got injured in Fights, too a man all Trained in Plastics, and were seriously Dehydrated before the Fight. Problem Stress= Cortisol,long term not a good idea. Plus anyone with serious Dehydration, will take them 4 days to properly re Hydrate.

Spot on dehydration is madness

We are 65% water, I wonder Why.

absolutely mate