Fwank should tell him straight

[TJ77]

Khan-Kotelnik at The M.E.N., Brook-Lomax wasn't even shown live as part as the PPV show. Gavin-Fearn was the first fight of the live broadcast.

I was there and Kell had plenty of support.
A lot of lads from Sheffield went.
Including half of wincobank depending on release dates and good behaviour we hope to have these lads back in the stands soon.
He was on pretty early and Kell had to sell the tickets himself with all that
eating shit and being out clubbing everynight he did well to train and shift what he did.Assuming FW gave him the same amount of tickets as Frankie which as it was a title fight and Fw had no time for Brook and showered Funtime with praise only to retract it when Frankie wasnt tge golden boy.
Gavin may have at that time had more support he was/is a good young fighter and comes across well.
Brook has no need for Gavin that said Khan has no need for Brook and Haye none for Fury.
If it makes money sense it could happen down the road and who knows if they fought know Gavin would lose IMHO.

[TJ77]

A fellow Brit Cleverly loses one fight (to a heavy handed, much avoided world class operator who will surely go onto bigger and better things) and you tear down his career, his personality and slate him as a clueless, boring unskilled fighter who was lucky to be champ and has a poor skill set then say nothing personal you were just having a laugh.
Quality joke mate. Hilarious. What are you gonna do for an encore, eat babies heads on toast?

His promoter and father just allowed him to commit career suicide.
And im the pudendum?

Everyone with half a clue knew that would happen.
He has been in shit fight after shit fight he is fornicating boring .
I said what I think Fw was thinking and if you look at the facts im not far wrong.
Nathan is nice enough but pro boxing is an entertainment business his old man is reduced to try and trash talk in a strong Welsh accent to a Russian who barely speaks English to use his words build some excitement. They all knew he was fucked watch the presser again.
Based on the fact his own father and promoter let him lose his title and risk brain damage I'd say my comment s are pretty tame.
The corner his fornicating dad shoved him out for more of the same after the 3rd but no the bad guy is the one speaks his mind on the net and tries to do it in a bit of a different way.
Get a grip there crimes are far greater.

[TJ77]

A fellow Brit Cleverly loses one fight (to a heavy handed, much avoided world class operator who will surely go onto bigger and better things) and you tear down his career, his personality and slate him as a clueless, boring unskilled fighter who was lucky to be champ and has a poor skill set then say nothing personal you were just having a laugh.
Quality joke mate. Hilarious. What are you gonna do for an encore, eat babies heads on toast?

His promoter and father just allowed him to commit career suicide.
And im the pudendum?

Everyone with half a clue knew that would happen.
He has been in shit fight after shit fight he is fornicating boring .
I said what I think Fw was thinking and if you look at the facts im not far wrong.
Nathan is nice enough but pro boxing is an entertainment business his old man is reduced to try and trash talk in a strong Welsh accent to a Russian who barely speaks English to use his words build some excitement. They all knew he was fucked watch the presser again.
Based on the fact his own father and promoter let him lose his title and risk brain damage I'd say my comment s are pretty tame.
The corner his fornicating dad shoved him out for more of the same after the 3rd but no the bad guy is the one speaks his mind on the net and tries to do it in a bit of a different way.
Get a grip there crimes are far greater.

[Parson Cross]

Quote Clint Magnum.
"A fellow Brit Cleverly loses one fight (to a heavy handed, much avoided world class operator who will surely go onto bigger and better things) and you tear down his career, his personality and slate him as a clueless, boring unskilled fighter who was lucky to be champ and has a poor skill set then say nothing personal you were just having a laugh.
Quality joke mate. Hilarious. What are you gonna do for an encore, eat babies heads on toast?"

Clint,
You can re post this with Clev removed and Brook inserted. Except of course he's undefeated.
These two fighters seem to have total polarities when it comes to fans. They are the marmite of boxing - love em or hate em.
Hopefully when the next slag fest starts about Brook we can convert it to a Clev thread.
Move on guys please - move on.

[Clint Magnum]

Indeed.
It's almost as if some British fans love to hate & just sit waiting for fellow Brits to lose so they can laugh in their face.
Why does a fighter have to be an ATG? Why can't we just support our British fighters and give constructive opinions if they perform badly, rather than tear into a personal rant of mockery.
Clev and his team took on one of the most avoided fighters. If his team had decided to avoid Kovalev the same nuthugger on here would be slagging them for avoiding the man!
Truth is Clev thought he was unbeatable, agreed to fight a dangerous avoided fighter to prove the doubters wrong but got soundly beaten. Big deal. Thats doesn't make him a shit fighter.

If some unskilled nobody had soundly beaten Clev then I'd tend to agree but truth is he was beaten by a clearly world class heavy handed fighter.

[polecateddy]

It just demonstrated how much boxing is a game of levels. Cleverley had built a reputation as a rugged, high-volume, wear you down fighter even at seemingly world title level. It ended up being horribly one-sided. Real boy against man stuff.

[lefty]

And please, after weeks and weeks of asking, can someone please tell me Brook's best win? And who said I was taken in by the offer? I said it would make sense. I didn't even read or here anything about the offer except on here.

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

brook has worked his way thru world title eliminators..... as has been pointed out countless times jennings, ndou and hatton all boxed for world titles.....hatton was an undefeated european champ...hatton rated brook higher than alvarez.....here's the ring ratings.....http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/w ... t......who cares if a taxi driver rates beating darius vassell higher than all this

Hatton was an undefeated european champ? Didnt he lose to Craig Watson?

[expe]

And please, after weeks and weeks of asking, can someone please tell me Brook's best win? And who said I was taken in by the offer? I said it would make sense. I didn't even read or here anything about the offer except on here.

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.

[lefty]

A fellow Brit Cleverly loses one fight (to a heavy handed, much avoided world class operator who will surely go onto bigger and better things) and you tear down his career, his personality and slate him as a clueless, boring unskilled fighter who was lucky to be champ and has a poor skill set then say nothing personal you were just having a laugh.
Quality joke mate. Hilarious. What are you gonna do for an encore, eat babies heads on toast?

His promoter and father just allowed him to commit career suicide.
And im the pudendum?

Everyone with half a clue knew that would happen.
He has been in poo fight after poo fight he is effing boring .
I said what I think Fw was thinking and if you look at the facts im not far wrong.
Nathan is nice enough but pro boxing is an entertainment business his old man is reduced to try and trash talk in a strong Welsh accent to a Russian who barely speaks English to use his words build some excitement. They all knew he was fucked watch the presser again.
Based on the fact his own father and promoter let him lose his title and risk brain damage I'd say my comment s are pretty tame.
The corner his effing dad shoved him out for more of the same after the 3rd but no the bad guy is the one speaks his mind on the net and tries to do it in a bit of a different way.
Get a grip there crimes are far greater.

The irony.

[lefty]

And please, after weeks and weeks of asking, can someone please tell me Brook's best win? And who said I was taken in by the offer? I said it would make sense. I didn't even read or here anything about the offer except on here.

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.

Saldivia is/was chinny as hell! He was knocked out by Said Ouali in a round!

[forcefraser]

And please, after weeks and weeks of asking, can someone please tell me Brook's best win? And who said I was taken in by the offer? I said it would make sense. I didn't even read or here anything about the offer except on here.

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.

Wasn`t it a clash of heads that won that one?

[TJ77]

And please, after weeks and weeks of asking, can someone please tell me Brook's best win? And who said I was taken in by the offer? I said it would make sense. I didn't even read or here anything about the offer except on here.

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.

[TJ77]

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.[/quote]
Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.[/quote][/quote]
If i'd said Jennings i'd of been wrong Kell was in terrific shape for the Saldivia it was an eliminator and he KO'D him with a jab in quick time. As Jennings was stopped by a cut I would have been open to ridicule and didn't really find the result satisfactory but a wins a win.
I will never convince you or the rest of the fools who have dragged Brook into it because they cannot think of a decent comeback to the original post.

[SNG]

If i'd said Jennings i'd of been wrong Kell was in terrific shape for the Saldivia it was an eliminator and he KO'D him with a jab in quick time. As Jennings was stopped by a cut I would have been open to ridicule and didn't really find the result satisfactory but a wins a win.
I will never convince you or the rest of the fools who have dragged Brook into it because they cannot think of a decent comeback to the original post.

I thought it was a joke? Why would any of us need a comeback to a joke not aimed at us?

[expe]

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.[/quote][/quote]
If i'd said Jennings i'd of been wrong Kell was in terrific shape for the Saldivia it was an eliminator and he KO'D him with a jab in quick time. As Jennings was stopped by a cut I would have been open to ridicule and didn't really find the result satisfactory but a wins a win.
I will never convince you or the rest of the fools who have dragged Brook into it because they cannot think of a decent comeback to the original post.
[/quote]
Saldivia was pathetic, he fell over off a jab and took the payday. The only name on his record was Said Ouali who took him out in 1 and Ouali isn't great himself.

[lefty]

The best so far probably Hatton or Saldivia.
Que you a saying Hatton's wank and Saldivia is wanker.
We acknowledge that he needs better opponents if only to shut the likes of you up.
Keep believing its all hype and he will be exposed.

Saldivia I'd say Jennings is still the best fighter he's beaten and that was 3 years ago.

[/quote]
If i'd said Jennings i'd of been wrong Kell was in terrific shape for the Saldivia it was an eliminator and he KO'D him with a jab in quick time. As Jennings was stopped by a cut I would have been open to ridicule and didn't really find the result satisfactory but a wins a win.
I will never convince you or the rest of the fools who have dragged Brook into it because they cannot think of a decent comeback to the original post.
[/quote]
Saldivia was pathetic, he fell over off a jab and took the payday. The only name on his record was Said Ouali who took him out in 1 and Ouali isn't great himself.[/quote]
Yeah, Carson Jones knocked Ouali out so that tells you everything really.

[bripez]

Indeed.
Why does a fighter have to be an ATG?

This is what I don't get - everybody is always talking about "World Class" and in many cases they are talking bollox.

Whenever a fighter is described as "British title level" it is taken as an insult by the boxer themselves (when they used to post on this site) and their hangers on - it just doesn't make sense.

Of all pro boxers, a very small minority will get to Britsh title level never mind "world class".

In my opinion, the only World Class British boxers at the moment are Froch, Haye and Khan (a month ago this would have caused uproar amongst the Scousers / David Price hangers on, when in reality he is a decent British Level boxer - nothing wrong with that, I wish I was !).

Ps - how do the ratings on this site work ?

I have just noticed that Clev has dropped to number 3 behind both Bellew and Maccarinelli.

How does Mac beating Mckenzie and Bellew beating no-one make them suddenly better than Clev who lost to a good lad who would beat all of them ?

In anybody disagrees, no problem - it is just my opinion and it is just the internet !

[JamesH]

[quote="bripez]In anybody disagrees, no problem - it is just my opinion and it is just the internet ![/quote]

Appalling etiquette! Have you forgotten where you are?

[los2]

Hatton was an undefeated european champ? Didnt he lose to Craig Watson?

he won european title defended it a couple of times...then boxed alvarex....then won ibf international....then boxed brook.....undefeated as european champ....didn't lose it in the ring......did better against alvarez than against brook.....

[lefty]

Hatton was an undefeated european champ? Didnt he lose to Craig Watson?

he won european title defended it a couple of times...then boxed alvarex....then won ibf international....then boxed brook.....undefeated as european champ....didn't lose it in the ring......did better against alvarez than against brook.....

Careful matchmaking is what led him to becoming a european champion. He didnt deserve a shot at the european title anyway after Watson had beaten him. He hadnt done anything since that loss to justify that shot.

[fatcity69]

Nathey
Its been great you have achieved more than anyone could of expected given your bland persona and limited skill set.
My match making skills have protected you and god knows I've used every smoke and mirror trick in my considerable arsenal of trickery to make you seem interesting.
Your not Nathan your just not not as a boxer mate maybe in the maths world they will be blown away by your charisma
but the boxing fans they've got our number.
Fact is my ol son that Ruski has done us both a big favour that's why I planned it.
Surely even your bored of the whole great pretender routine.
You only have to look at the ticket sales you do the math.
Im gonna miss losing money on shows and trying to decipher WTF your old man is whittering on about on behind those f.ucking
bins he insists on wearing indoors at the presser's.
Thank eff I had Joe or you really could of fucked me up with the Welsh.
Take a long holiday and delete my number.
Yeah and don't worry you'll get your money I promise.

And you think Brook is special!?? lol!.

[DMA1987]

Nathey
Its been great you have achieved more than anyone could of expected given your bland persona and limited skill set.
My match making skills have protected you and god knows I've used every smoke and mirror trick in my considerable arsenal of trickery to make you seem interesting.
Your not Nathan your just not not as a boxer mate maybe in the maths world they will be blown away by your charisma
but the boxing fans they've got our number.
Fact is my ol son that Ruski has done us both a big favour that's why I planned it.
Surely even your bored of the whole great pretender routine.
You only have to look at the ticket sales you do the math.
Im gonna miss losing money on shows and trying to decipher WTF your old man is whittering on about on behind those f.ucking
bins he insists on wearing indoors at the presser's.
Thank eff I had Joe or you really could of fucked me up with the Welsh.
Take a long holiday and delete my number.
Yeah and don't worry you'll get your money I promise.

And you think Brook is special!?? lol!.

fornicate me mate, bore off.

Call TJ77 a pudendum if you want to, but why does everyone keep slinging Brook into this thread about Cleverly? Is it about the best you've all got?

[lefty]

Nathey
Its been great you have achieved more than anyone could of expected given your bland persona and limited skill set.
My match making skills have protected you and god knows I've used every smoke and mirror trick in my considerable arsenal of trickery to make you seem interesting.
Your not Nathan your just not not as a boxer mate maybe in the maths world they will be blown away by your charisma
but the boxing fans they've got our number.
Fact is my ol son that Ruski has done us both a big favour that's why I planned it.
Surely even your bored of the whole great pretender routine.
You only have to look at the ticket sales you do the math.
Im gonna miss losing money on shows and trying to decipher WTF your old man is whittering on about on behind those f.ucking
bins he insists on wearing indoors at the presser's.
Thank eff I had Joe or you really could of fucked me up with the Welsh.
Take a long holiday and delete my number.
Yeah and don't worry you'll get your money I promise.

And you think Brook is special!?? lol!.

eff me mate, bore off.

Call TJ77 a pudendum if you want to, but why does everyone keep slinging Brook into this thread about Cleverly? Is it about the best you've all got?

Brook was specifically brought into this thread mate because of who created the thread and there dislike of anyone criticising Brook's level of opposition upto now. However the same person doesnt seem to think it's somewhat hypocritical to take the piss out of a guy who's coming off a bad defeat to a serious puncher. That is why Brook was brought into it.

[lillywhite14]

Brook v Cleverly? Looking at both their records, they have beat guys of a similar standard.

Clev was only ever a paper titlist. Fingers crossed Brook takes the kind of step up that Clev did with Kovalev though.

Pound for pound if they were the same size? I think Brook would knock him out

[NazNaci1]

It just demonstrated how much boxing is a game of levels. Cleverley had built a reputation as a rugged, high-volume, wear you down fighter even at seemingly world title level. It ended up being horribly one-sided. Real boy against man stuff.

This is pretty much it (all this Brook stuff, apart). Nathan is a swarmer, busy etc...but he just couldn't deal with the power. No shame in that, it happens to loads of guys. What is important is how he comes back and judging from what he said, he may not even do that. Which is fair enough.